3302, how many variations?

[lithomaniac]

Questions about Ryobi 3302s

The company I work for has informed me they are going to replace
the press I'm currently running, (a shinohara 52 IVP) with a 3302
so I have a few questions.

Can you run envelopes on a 3302? we do a lot of them on our 2800 CD
with a T-head but it bounces too much to do tight 3 or 4 color work.
Will it take an envelope feeder?


The shino will run 14" X 20", what's the max on a 3302?

We do a fair amount of 4/C process, does a 3302 register well enough
to make this feasible? I am an experienced press operator with more than
40 years in the trade and have run everything from A. B. Dick 350s to 50" 4/C
Miehles and I do have a good densitometer.

I see from browsing through this forum that there are different variations
of this press, IE, 3302H, 3302I, 3302E etc. what's the difference?

I would appreciate any comments, advice or feedback.

Yours, Dave

Nothshores printery
San Diego, CA

 

[FFR428]

Pretty sure the factory spec is 13.390"x17.720" max sheet size. So 13"x18" is pretty much max. I think you can fudge a extra .250-.500 on length? We normally ran 12x18 sheet size for anything 11x17 with bleeds. You'll miss that 14x20 sheet size. Also 3302 sheet runs portrait vs landscape. Envelopes are all fine from 10x13 down to the small coin sizes. The press has very good register so 4C work should be pretty straight forward for you. Env feeder should be fine too.

 

[printerdan]

My $.02 - You won't get beyond 18". From the factory these are not 18" sheet length machines. We bought our 3302M new and I had to retard the suction timing slightly to run 12 x 18. (Suckers will grab the tail of the sheet by specs otherwise). I would think any machine that has been in the field already has a similar adjustment but the second machine in my shop it seems they retarded the entire feed; sheets barely made it to the head-stops for side lay before continuing.
You can forget about 2 up letter-size with bleeds and color bars - period, end of sentence.
To run 2-up W/T with bleeds is going to have the pre-press scratching heads. (You cannot physically do it on 12x18. I think I cut to 17.625)
Roller capacity - I don't think you're going to lay what you have been able to.
Envelopes - yes, assuming you have 5 feed bands, not 7.
If you're purchasing this for daily 4 color work, I think a re-evaluation needs to be made. The 3302 will not perform what you are used to. They will do fine work but the Portrait feed limits the physical possibilities. (No swing gripper)

The above are my opinions of 3302M with continuous dampeners. 3302H is an upgrade machine I cannot speak of.
(I ran an Omni Adast (Royal Zenith) 14x20 for some time in addition to all small machines.)

 

[ziggy33]

I do quite a bit of 4 color on my 3302M and it's great! But in my option on if your going to do a lot of 4 color work just get a 3304

 

[lithomaniac]

Thanks for the feedback, the press came in this morning and all in all looks pretty good.
It's a3302M. Had the rigger set it where I wanted it and got it level.
Won't get power until monday so I can't do much but hand wheel it til then.

Will keep you posted on how it's going after I get power.

 

[seanryder]

I agree with ziggy33... I used to run 4-color all the time on a 3302M, fortunately for me the M had been converted to Kompacs. 3302H would have been a great step up in water systems as well as plate clamps, but the 3304HA I run now is awesome. Best of luck.

 

[lithomaniac]

Thanks again for the feedback and advice, the problem is I get what
the suits decide THEY need. So I run what I get or move on.

Spent today doing clean up and familiarizing myself with the press.
There are a few issues, but nothing major (so far).

If I could, I'd like to pick your brains.

First off, I've run presses equipped with molletons, continuous dampening and Crestlines.
I've never run Kompacs which this has. I find it hard to believe there's no water pan.
1) Does this system really contain the fountain solution between two rollers?
2) How do you drain, clean the dampening system?
3) Do I have to ink up the dampening roller train like a crestline set up?
4) Use MRC for clean up at end of shift?

Next up, plate and blanket packing.

There were no plates on the press when it came in.
The book says nada about plate thickness, what do you run?
Do you use packing? If so, presspack or permapack?.

On to blankets, the press had one blanket mounted when
delivered. it is from Pacesetter, 4ply .097" with a .058 underblanket.
Is this normal? Personally, I would rather permapack the blanket cylinder
to within .015" and use presspack to give me some print length adjustment
if needed.

I know I'm getting a little long here, but just one more item for now.
the press has a Tempest dryer (from Excel) which is missing the
most important parts, IE the fans and thermistors.
I really love having a dryer. It makes a huge difference in the
amount of powder I have to use.
I reached out to Pamarco for parts but so far have got no
reply. Any other sources?

thanks for your time, Dave

 

[FFR428]

Yes Kompacs look a bit hokey but run very well setup properly.

Yes the water sits in the roller nip only held in by the teflon side seals. So it's important those are burned/run in correctly. This you do when the unit is clean and dry and run the press at idle @ 7-8 iph with NO water in the system. You'll see the teflon start to flake on the roller edges. This is good and what you want to see. This tells you the seal is seating in place. The seals are also L and R specific and last about 2 months without leaks.

To drain the system remove water bottle or hose tip depending which you have. Kompac used to come with a small blue ball sucker thing. Like a snot sucker for babies or a small baster where you squeeze the ball insert the tip in the water and it sucks the water out. Or use a cotton pad. Then just squirt some press wash and water (I like VMW water miscible) in the nip and run a few mins. Rinse and repeat until ink is gone. NO MRC that stuff is way harsh. I only wash the press rollers with VWM wash and water.

Ryobi sells a 2 pc blanket/underpack these are by far the best but expensive. What type of plates are you using there? There is no underpack for the plates. Plate to blanket is set by turing the screw you see under the little rectangle shaped window with dial inside. There's 1 for each unit.

 

[lithomaniac]

OK everybody,
Finally get power to the press. Inched it around a few times and everything looked good. No big clangs, bangs
or other scarey noises. Set up the feeder and run some stock through, off impression first then on. it was all still good.
Hung some plates, tapped some ink in and striped the rollers. They were a little out of whack but not too bad.
Problems started when I went to put water in it. As stated before, this press is equipped with Kompacs which I
have zero experience with. When I dropped the bottle into position, it just kept on draining, would have dumped
the whole thing into the press if I hadn't yanked it out. It wasn't leaking out through the seals, it was going over
the top of the rollers. After cleaning up the mess I ran out of time so I'm hoping someone here can shed some light
on the problem before I go back in tomorrow. You've all been very helpful so far.