Davino
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Thank you - this was my initial response as well, six months ago, for the first proof when this fact about the UV process on this stock surfaced, and I requested then matte formulations for the text ink, and even sourced matte inks for them. They use Toyo ink exclusively, and speaking directly with Toyo branch offices in Europe (again trying to assist the printer, who maintains they cannot change things), was informed Toyo abandoned matte formulations 8 years ago due to myriad issues with them. I found, in consultation with a company chemist, the matte binder additive, and proposed mixing it, and briefly discussed with Toyo mixing a special batch. Toyo and the printer refused. Glare is fine on richly saturated photos, but clearly detrimental to body text and fine annotations in a long, scholarly text. I've used every strategy and tactic to advance my case that I can conceive of and hit a wall for months - no workaround is being allowed, other than the marginally successful OPV on letterforms (very costly, and unsuccessful on the annotations) or flood.Before moving directly to an expensive matte spot varnish press proof, I would first ask the printer whether they can use a low-gloss or matte LED UV black ink for the text itself.
Since UV LED is a curing system, not a finish by itself, the issue may be better addressed through the ink formulation rather than by adding a corrective varnish afterward. A matte or low-gloss LED UV black ink — and a low-gloss formulation for the Pantone gray text if needed — would likely be a cleaner solution than trying to spot-varnish fine type.
I would ask the printer to consult their ink supplier specifically for a “low-gloss / matte LED UV offset black ink” suitable for sheetfed offset on matte coated paper. At minimum, the supplier should be able to provide a drawdown or sample on the actual stock before committing to a costly press proof.
The printer refuses, despite all reasonable pleas, to ever do drawdowns. Trying a new spot color for annotations? Full on press proof. Hundreds of photos have been calibrated and retouched, at considerable expense with a couple hundred hours of effort, in order to work well on this stock and with their process. I'm locked in by this. The constraints, despite my commitment, are proving, after many months, truly immovable. The forum sees workarounds other printers may embrace.
The stock's natural texture even in unprinted areas, is altered by the process somehow, and the options for removing sheen seem limited to OPV on letterforms or flood coat. I've been utterly dedicated to avoiding compromises up to this point on this high-value, legacy edition of a renowned architect's writings and work, but now must concede: 1. the stock will never have its natural texture from the mill samples, and 2. the options for cutting text glare are limited (by this printer) to OPV on text or flood coating. It seems worth it to embrace one or the other, but not ideal.
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