3304 work and tumble jobs. Are they possible

[ziggy33]

Been Printing now for 8 years and have serviced several different brands and models of presses, so I'm pretty skilled at maintaining my press, adjusted like i have it rollers actually last me 4-6 months longer than when the Ryobi tech came in and did the adjustments. Blankets last me a full 12 months now compared to 6 months. I also keep it very very clean so no premature wear here.

 

[FSA]

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You seem like a guy that just likes to argue. I'm on three different machines a day sometimes five. "Factory trained" techs usually don't know jack about printing. R'n'R parts sure but any of the real techs have been force to retire ! Leaving the computor geek to fix the print problem.

The point of this tread is it more than possible to print 2up 8 1/2 x 11 with colour bars and bleeds on the ryobi series 3202 or 3304 line of machines. End of story!

FSA

 

[printerdan]

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You seem like a guy that just likes to argue. I'm on three different machines a day sometimes five. "Factory trained" techs usually don't know jack about printing. R'n'R parts sure but any of the real techs have been force to retire ! Leaving the computor geek to fix the print problem.

The point of this tread is it more than possible to print 2up 8 1/2 x 11 with colour bars and bleeds on the ryobi series 3202 or 3304 line of machines. End of story!

FSA

Argue?
To quote FSA - "If your operator gives you greef, I would be glad to show him up. But i'm sure there are alot of operators out there to replace him and not the machine." - You're pretty arrogant. Likely a good press operator, but argumentative. A lot of press operators out there to replace him? Don't insult someone who may be a valuable employee.
"Not sure what press you run but all the ryobi presses I have run will take an 18" sheet no problem" - Not factory timed.

I've been flamed in another thread for my input, but I'll stand by it and get flamed again. If a machine will feed an 18 inch sheet, it has been re-timed. The suckers will grab the tail of thee sheet. That being said, change it once slightly and it will feed 18 inches all day long.

 

[FFR428]

Argue?
To quote FSA - "If your operator gives you greef, I would be glad to show him up. But i'm sure there are alot of operators out there to replace him and not the machine." - You're pretty arrogant. Likely a good press operator, but argumentative. A lot of press operators out there to replace him? Don't insult someone who may be a valuable employee.
"Not sure what press you run but all the ryobi presses I have run will take an 18" sheet no problem" - Not factory timed.

I've been flamed in another thread for my input, but I'll stand by it and get flamed again. If a machine will feed an 18 inch sheet, it has been re-timed. The suckers will grab the tail of thee sheet. That being said, change it once slightly and it will feed 18 inches all day long.

Bingo! Yes I used to even tweek the vac timing a hair so once the tail of the sheet is past the sucker feet it clicks back on for the next sheet. We'd always push the machines to run things beyond factory specs. Some sucker feet (round rubber) I'd trim the lead edge of them if needed. They can drag and catch on the tail of the sheet. Some feet like the black ones Hamada used I'd turn backwards even. Whatever it took to get the jobs done we did it. The Ryobi feet are small enough dia they were never a problem.

On some of the old Hamada 660's we had I adapted a high speed variable pulley to replace the stockers. This gave us 12.000+ IPH vs the 9000 as stock. We ran hundreds of thousands of 2/2 letters that were always a RUSH. Mechanical impression trips had to be set dead nuts perfect. This was before the speed inverter's came to the market. LOL. Hot Rod presses!!

 

[discountprintingservice]

And I will stand with you all day long on this printerdan, and FSA no I don't necessary like to argue but when I am right and someone else is giving misleading information I will stand by it. And as for what ziggy33 and FSA had to say, just because you can do it doesn't mean the machine was designed to do it. Altering manufacturing specification on timing of mechanical and/or electrical components, while they can run this way for some time, they can also cause other problems even premature mechanical wear even if you do keep a clean machine. What you need to keep in mind ziggy33 and FSA is that not everyone on here may know how to make these adjustments and if these presses are altered from specs they can break something or cause problems if you don't know what you are doing. I have seen presses with problems that ran into 5 figures to repair because someone tinkered or broke a press trying to work on or adjust it when they were not trained on how to correctly adjust them. Someone taking your advise could find themselves in hot water with a supervisor or shop owner and potentially be out of a job if they screw up a machine...just saying...

Perfect example of mechanical wear on a "clean" machine would be gripper bars that are set away from manufacturer specs so as to opened to far at the cam allowing the gripper fingers to hit the cylinder anvils, this could damage a machine beyond reasonable repair from a cost standpoint...would only take one revolution of the press turned on at a medium to high speed to do this damage...

 

[discountprintingservice]

One more thing, this post was about whether you can work & turn 2 up 8½x11 with bleed and color bars on the maximum paper size by the machine specifications, and as I proved in my previous post (#16 on page 2) you can do it with the machine set to factory specs on 17.75" paper period, end of discussion...

So there is really no need to "adjust" your machine if you know what you are doing in the first place...