integrated vs de integrated

Discussion in 'Heidelberg Printing Presses' started by rjorgensen7, Mar 12, 2010.

  1. rjorgensen7

    rjorgensen7 New Member

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    Looking for some pros and cons for running integrated and de integrated.
     
  2. steveo

    steveo Senior Member

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    what press? I never ran intergated on the Roland and the Mitsu I ran semi AD , I think you have to find your comfort zone...even on the Roland I rarely used the delta , unless absolutley nessecary , the Heidelberg is call the Vario I believe....well anyway I prefer to stay away from intergrated to anwser your question...

    Steve
     
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    I found ink/water balance came quicker integrated but take away the alcohol and I prefer de integrated.
     
  4. print101

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    I have never really understood the Vario system 100% - I have had different takes on it from a number of people, can someone explain its real function clearly???
     
  5. timc

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    hardly ever integrate Maybe on solids But normally run with out
     
  6. Olle

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    Vario is function that makes dampening rollers turn slower than inking rollers. Reason is to prevent forming of hickeys. When Vario is active then you cannot work integrated because of the different speeds of rollers. Icon at CP2000 can show that you run integrated, but in reality you are not.
     
  7. steveo

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    Same with the Roland....cept they call it Delta....
     
  8. aqazi81

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    what is integrated and de integrated? please explain....
     
  9. timc

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    a Z rollers runs in contact with damp and ink rollers To de integrate means you run with the Z roller only contacting the damp
     
  10. aqazi81

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    thanx timc....
     
  11. Mechanic

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    Vario (Delta to some) is when the water form roller runs on different speed than the plate, in order to pick up hickeys...... Z roller (bridge roller to some, intermediate to othhers) is the roller that connect the ink train and the water train. In general , you run the bridge roller engaged during
    a): start up ( get some ink on the waterform roller)
    b): washup
    c): heavy solid printing ( you use the water train to cover some of that heavy inking, tricky business cuz you have to be carefull with your ink/water balance)
     

  12. heidi_helper

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    i found intergrated is good for metallic inks...helps keep fine screens open when running in combo with solids, although not the only solution for that issue...non intergrated is good for 4 color process...helps ink/water balance
     
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