Arradiant UV dryer system?

[speedmaster84]

Hi guys noob here,

Has anyone ever heard or used an Arradiant Dryer system. Im intrested in retrofitting our press. However if been shopping around and the integration system seems to be streamlined with Arradiant for our Komori Lithrone 40, Have any of you guys ever heard of this. And also if we purchase this I was told that UV lamps can get expensive. Any recommended sources for replacement UV lamps. Where do you get yours?

 

[RichardK]

UV? You'll need shadowless grippers in the delivery from my experience.

UV also needs extraction of ozone and additional lubrication/maintenance.

And yes it can get expensive - check the web for lamp replacement.

 

[archetype]

I have used Graphix and IST uv systems but never arradiant. I doubt that it is much different. Usually after the system is installed you are required to buy the lamps from the company for 180 days or whatever your warranty period is. They are $2400. After that you can buy the same lamp from the manufacturer for $1100. Keep in mind that you are boiling mercury to create ultraviolet radiation and generation a lot of heat inside the press. You are also taking a cut in quality if you use traditional uv ink. That can be gained back by using a hybrid, but it is expensive. Along with this you will also need plates, blankets, rollers, solvents, and fountain solution that is all compatible with the uv ink. It is also good to have an electrition handy at all times. Most companies that use uv have a specific need for it, such as specialty packaging on synthetic material and a lot of people that want uv also want uv coating. This has been my experience anyway. Hope some of it is useful to you.

 

[USAPressmen.com]

We retro fitted our Roland 300 with an after market U.V. system.. The bulbs costs about $400 a piece ( 29 inch bulbs ) and yes they contain mercury. The problem is when the bulb becomes old, many times they will explode and who know where the mercury goes at that point. On atleast two occassions, the bulb in the delivery exploded in the middle of a run causing glass ( and possibly mercury ) to hit my legs while I was standing infront of the press. If you do place a UV bulb in the delivery to cure the UV coating make sure you get a U.V. protection cover to fit over the delivery window so you dont blind the pressmen from the light coming from the bulb. We used hybrid inks with no problem - didnt have to change plates.. just had to buy a stronger blanket wash - Hydro wash. If you have any other questions feel free to visit www.usapressmen.com to ask questions.

 

[racerx631]

uv system

We retro fitted our Roland 300 with an after market U.V. system.. The bulbs costs about $400 a piece ( 29 inch bulbs ) and yes they contain mercury. The problem is when the bulb becomes old, many times they will explode and who know where the mercury goes at that point. On atleast two occassions, the bulb in the delivery exploded in the middle of a run causing glass ( and possibly mercury ) to hit my legs while I was standing infront of the press. If you do place a UV bulb in the delivery to cure the UV coating make sure you get a U.V. protection cover to fit over the delivery window so you dont blind the pressmen from the light coming from the bulb. We used hybrid inks with no problem - didnt have to change plates.. just had to buy a stronger blanket wash - Hydro wash. If you have any other questions feel free to visit www.usapressmen.com to ask questions.

Hello fellow pressman.I also ran a royal zenith planeta 40inch with perfector which was dedicated all uv.We had a grafix uv drying system installe in units 1-2-3-4-5 skip 6 and a double lamp in the delivery for uv coating.Between the wall of electrical boxes and the turbines for heat and ozone extraction and the basically giant radiator to run anti freeze through the lamps to cool them.( also air cooled as well)This created alot of heat.put it this way in the winter the owner only had to put the heat on in the press room at night ,when press is running in the day time kept the press room at 85 degress.In the summer press room was unbearable no AC.117degrees on the floor and 156 up on press.as you can tell we had many problems with ink misting ,used so much alcohol to keep water tanks cool and oil problems,had synthetic oil in it but still leaked due to heat.owner was advised to put ac in the press room by grafix but,,didnt do it.had many electrical problems due to heat.Uv is great when it is set up right and it does get expensive with inks and other supplies,but if you have alot of work that requires uv then its worth it.we printed on plastic and board for pre paid phone cards

 

[USAPressmen.com]

yeah if i remember right, ours was made by grafix also. It sure does keep the pressroom hot no matter what time of the year it is.. And by the way, the U.V. COATING AND INKS WILL STINK UP YOUR SHOP. Literally, the smell is horrible.

 

[racerx631]

yeah if i remember right, ours was made by grafix also. It sure does keep the pressroom hot no matter what time of the year it is.. And by the way, the U.V. COATING AND INKS WILL STINK UP YOUR SHOP. Literally, the smell is horrible.

Yes it did smell very bad .I remember once i ask a sale rep if the fumes from the coating was harmful.and i guess you guess what he said,no its not harmful.The coating its self is pretty caustic to your skin,many times got it on me and it burned something awful.On question hows the printing in your area, i guess its florida, stinks up here in ny thinking of relocating somewhere else

 

[USAPressmen.com]

On question hows the printing in your area, i guess its florida, stinks up here in ny thinking of relocating somewhere else

I live in Saint Petersburg, FL which is 10 minutes from Tampa ( known for the Buccanneers football team.. ). Back 4 years ago, this was a great area ( including tampa ) for the printing industry. Seemed like a printshop everywhere you looked. Now, like most areas, alot of shops are closing. I was laid off for about a month and half and now had to take a pay cut where im at now. No one is hiring, plus Evatone moved out of the area and that really hurt us. They moved there shop to the Carolinas. Alot of shops in the saint petersburg area are running Man Rolands and Komori. Tampa has alot of heidelberg shops.

 

[hellboy]

look @ - - > http://www.heraeus-noblelight.com/en/home.html

 

[marcb]

dont touch an arradiant uv system

Hi guys noob here,

Has anyone ever heard or used an Arradiant Dryer system. Im intrested in retrofitting our press. However if been shopping around and the integration system seems to be streamlined with Arradiant for our Komori Lithrone 40, Have any of you guys ever heard of this. And also if we purchase this I was told that UV lamps can get expensive. Any recommended sources for replacement UV lamps. Where do you get yours?

Dont touch an arradiant UV system, they are really badly designed and dont work for long.

Try IST or Benford UV systems

 

[UVSAGE]

Lamp Cost Terrorism

Hi Guys;

I hate to see the lamp costs below blown out of proportion.
Yes, IST, Grafix, others can charge $1000-$2000 per lamp. This is mostly mark up from the original manufacturer, the US rep. etc...

It's a shame really.

Original costs for a 40+" tube are around $100 for anywhere between 10 and 50 of one size at a time. Expect to pay $300 or so from a dealer.

If you can send one along with the full electrical specifications of the HV side of your ballast, any reputable manufacturer should be able to produce a lamp for you.

A lamp manufacturer will build them for you even in small quantities if you ask. Try Western Quartz, or maybe Voltarc. Good Guys, it will take a few or maybe several weeks.

Ask them to build a sample, (you'll pay for it) as you'll need to test it with your ballast for starting reliability. They may need to adjust mercury and hologen dose.

Good Luck

 

[igsusa]

There is a nice and inexpensive US made system out. contact me if you need more info. ps@igs-usa.com

 

[speedmaster84]

so we went with an ist system

Hi Guys;

I hate to see the lamp costs below blown out of proportion.
Yes, IST, Grafix, others can charge $1000-$2000 per lamp. This is mostly mark up from the original manufacturer, the US rep. etc...

It's a shame really.

Original costs for a 40+" tube are around $100 for anywhere between 10 and 50 of one size at a time. Expect to pay $300 or so from a dealer.

If you can send one along with the full electrical specifications of the HV side of your ballast, any reputable manufacturer should be able to produce a lamp for you.

A lamp manufacturer will build them for you even in small quantities if you ask. Try Western Quartz, or maybe Voltarc. Good Guys, it will take a few or maybe several weeks.

Ask them to build a sample, (you'll pay for it) as you'll need to test it with your ballast for starting reliability. They may need to adjust mercury and hologen dose.

Good Luck

I purchase my lamps from Lamp Express. Great team and best prices i found anywhere. I called Voltarc and Western quartz as you mentioned but Western Quartz didnt know the lamp and Voltarc had a lead time of something like 6 weeks.

Lamp Express had them at my door in less than a week! Recomend them to you guys.

 

[KomoriMan]

Hi guys noob here,

Has anyone ever heard or used an Arradiant Dryer system. Im intrested in retrofitting our press. However if been shopping around and the integration system seems to be streamlined with Arradiant for our Komori Lithrone 40, Have any of you guys ever heard of this. And also if we purchase this I was told that UV lamps can get expensive. Any recommended sources for replacement UV lamps. Where do you get yours?

I get my replacement lamps from UV Lamps in Calif. $300.00 for 40". They are working well for us.
uvlamps12@yahoo.com

 

[KomoriMan]

Electech markets reasonably priced retrofit interdeck and delivery curing units that are fully contained. Even if lamp shatters, the glass remains in unit.
electechuv.com

 

[rajikoshy]

As far as the lamp cost is concerned i do not think its expensive - 300$ for every 1000 hours, but its necessary to keep data on the lamp replacement time, if you do not replace the UV lamp well at 800 hours, you production get effected, even if it goes well change at 1000 hours without looking back, as if you run long you damage the circuit and the transformer, as the lamp get older it draws more current - every UV press has to keep this in mind.