Newbie needs School

Discussion in 'DI Presses' started by V-P, Jul 9, 2011.

  1. V-P

    V-P Member

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    Hi All,

    I am a newbie in this forum and also in offset.

    I come from the printer world. (Canon CLC 5151 and similar)
    Also am service guy for fixing Canon machines.
    I work for a PrintShop in Europe.

    Our boss wants to expand into the bigger market so in front of us we have 2 doors:
    1. Heidelberg QM DI 4
    2. Canon imagePress C7000 VP

    As much as I would like door nr.2, I presume boss will go for the door nr.1 because of the cheaper price (I am talking used machines here).

    Before we purchase a machine someone from our company (which is always me) has to be trained. So this leads us to the question:
    Where in Europe can I train for User Training and somehow Service Training ?
    I mean location, duration of training, pricing ?

    Second question is: Since I am not familiar with these machines, but I am sure most of you are...
    How much is normal to pay a specialist to come with me and evaluate a machine ?
    What about installation at our shop and a short 2-3 day training ?

    Third question: We are looking for the Plus version, preferably within 10 imp.
    What are the average prices ?

    Thanks for reading...
     
    V-P, Jul 9, 2011
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  2. Morten Christensen

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    I am able to help you out with evaluation and training.
    Years of experience with as pressman and demonstrator.
    I even got a Plus model for sale..
     
    Morten Christensen, Jul 9, 2011
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  3. V-P

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    V-P, Jul 11, 2011
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  4. Paul Cavanaugh

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    When we were selling the QMDI the installation process with training took two weeks. The press took 3 days to install and the next 7 days were dedicated to training. If the press operator had experience running a 4-color machine, the 7 days was sufficient and we rarely had to go back for further instruction.

    As to the price of the PLUS machines they range anywhere from 20K to 80K depending on impression count. We just had a QMDI Classic with 480,000 impressions we sold for 25K. There are some very good deals out there.

    I would not consider purchasing any QMDI that you have not seen run from pre-press to press. In other words have some one show the job being RIP'ed then brought up on the press and imaged.

    Good luck with your choice.
     
    Paul Cavanaugh, Jul 14, 2011
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  5. V-P

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    Thnx Paul !

    I appreciate your advice !

    I have one question though: (hope you don't laugh)

    If we compare the same DI type (mechanically speaking)
    First machine is NEW
    Second machine has, lets say 10-20 mill impressions.

    Do they have difference in quality ?
    If yes, to what consumable is related to ?

    thnx for reading
     
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2011
    V-P, Jul 15, 2011
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  6. ahendriks

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    reply on your DI 46

    Hi there, We have a DI 46 Pro for sale.
    Machine has done only 7.5 million prints.

    Machine is in New Zealand, so buying with Euro's to a NZ dollar is a good deal for you.
    Machine is from 1994.

    Regards, André
     
    ahendriks, Jul 17, 2011
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  7. xfactor printing

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    Europe to New Zealand is a long way to go for training Andre!
     
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  8. V-P

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    That is a long way indeed.
    I am a newbie but how come your PRO version dates from 1994 ?
    I thought PRO was released round 2000.
     
    V-P, Jul 17, 2011
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  10. Paul Cavanaugh

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    In 1994 it was one of the very first Classic machines. The Plus came out in early 1999 and the Pro was not available until late 2001.

    As far as your question is concerned about the new machine versus the one with 10 - 20 million imp on it goes... It all depends on how well the used machine was kept up. I have seen used machines that print just as well as new ones when kept in good condition. That being said, if the price of the machines are not too far apart, I would go for the new one.
     
    Paul Cavanaugh, Jul 18, 2011
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