U.V. ink and water balance

Cdel

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Hi, I am running a 2021 Heidelberg 104CX. We are running UV inks. Rollers are set nice, New rubber. Non Intergrated, we seem to have enough water squeezed off the pan roller but still getting water up to the fountain ball. Inpress goes up and down like crazy when this happens. Any body have issues like this? Thanks in advance.
 
Water has to be minimal check your settings again.the ink zones on the ends can be locked off.use your air curtain to blow off excess water on non image areas
 
  • Also for what it's worth I have found that running integrated gives better water control
     
    Make sure you have this settings right
     

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    Thanks for getting back. I don't have air curtains on the press (unfortunately). my chrome roller to water form is a 6mm. I'll try to integrate again. I notice when I integrate it scums up the plate a lot and I have to open my pan rollers. I feel like I'm putting more water in there. My overall speed on the pan roller ranges between 25 and 35 depending on weather its coated or offset paper. Just for more info, my forms to oscillators are a 5mm and forms to plate are 4mm. water form to plate is 5mm and water form to matte roller is 6mm.
     
    Something to remember running in vario. mode shortens the life of the water form rollers due to increased friction of plate.if you run integrated matte roller stripe 4mm
     
    ok, maybe I'll give that a try. Thanks. Heidelberg Tech told us to set the water to matte 7mm and chrome to water form 7mm. I thought that was a bit much. If I scum up on the gripper and up the water 2 points it sends Impress into a fit. So sensitive with the U.V. ink. Thanks for the feedback.
     
    Check if the pan roller and oscillator are properly adjusted for the type of stock you're using. Additionally, ensure that your dampening solution settings are appropriate for UV inks
     
    …If I scum up on the gripper and up the water 2 points it sends Impress into a fit. So sensitive with the U.V. ink.
    UV inks are much more sensitive to dampening solution than conventional inks are and the trick is more about finding the best combination of ink brand/etch brand/amount of alcohol sub than it is worrying about a 1 or 2 mm difference on some of your roller stripe settings (though I will always prefer segregated over integrated). The roller settings matter just like they always do, of course, but the trouble with your ink settling down and the color spiking you’re experiencing (guessing on startups and throughout shorter runs) is probably not so much from rollers as it is about UV ink being made different, and the photopolymers that are in it can inherently make it more difficult to create a stable emulsification.

    One way to verify compatibility with ink and dampening chemistry is to monitor how long it takes for your ink/water balance to stabilize after plate changes, or just after starting up from periods of the press being stopped. It should be within 100-400 sheets depending on press speed and if it takes longer than that, maybe try experimenting to find a more compatible ink/chemistry combination.

    This has been my experience in the past and it can definitely make a difference.
     
    Hi, I am running a 2021 Heidelberg 104CX. We are running UV inks. Rollers are set nice, New rubber. Non Intergrated, we seem to have enough water squeezed off the pan roller but still getting water up to the fountain ball. Inpress goes up and down like crazy when this happens. Any body have issues like this? Thanks in advance.
    I see two possible issue here. One is about the fundamental cause of ink water balance, print density variation. From my work on the subject, I have found that the cause is related to the inconsistency of the ink transfer by the ductor roller. Your comment about water getting up to the fountain ball highlights the problem of ink transfer at the ductor. I have done tests where ink is fed into a roller train in a way that is not affected by any amount of water on the roller train and this resulted in consistent print density. These tests were done with EB, UV and conventional inks.

    The other issue might also be related to how the Inpress system is controlled. If it is too aggressive (high gain) in making adjustments to the ink feed, it might become unstable on its own, when it experiences a sudden change in print density. This problem is well known in control theory.

    Sorry this is two years late but just now, your problem caught my eye. :-)
     
    Cdel, its been 2 years from your original post.
    What did you do to resolve your concerns?
     
    Cdel, its been 2 years from your original post.
    What did you do to resolve your concerns?
    well, we try to run the water speed as low as possible, that helps. We Integrate our magenta unit it seems to help that particular color. All our scum lines are nice. Just a side note, the pressman that works opposite me puts in a lot of Isopropyl alcohol in our water tank almost every day, along with the alcohol substitute. I don't think that's doing us any favors.
     
    This is what I can tell you regarding my daily experiences at work as a printing instructor:(also in UV printing)
    Not all water is the same
    Many printing companies draw water for dampening solution production from the drinking water supply without knowing exactly what it contains and how it affects the printing process. This can result in quality losses or printing problems, the actual cause of which often remains unknown. Targeted water treatment can remove many disruptive factors from the water.
    Consistent water quality
    Targeted water treatment forms the basis for optimal conditions. Water quality is much more important in alcohol-free and reduced-alcohol printing than in conventional offset printing with IPA. If the water hardness is too low or too high, this is immediately noticeable in the print result: if the water is too soft, the printing process tends to emulsify; if the water is too hard,
    it can cause the ink rollers to run dry due to lime deposits. Therefore, a constant, suitable water quality must be ensured.
    If this water hardness is not achieved or if the water quality fluctuates, the water should be treated by means of a hardening
    or reverse osmosis system before it is fed into the machine as a dampening solution.
    Along with print chemicals that affect the roller directly, external factors such as UV light, fountain additive, solvent and room
    temperature may result in premature ageing of the rubber.
    on UV printing, the service-life oft he rollers is as a rule shorter.
    long service life of the rollers can only be achieved with proper handling and maintenance.
    Print quality starts with the interaction of the inking and dampening system: Consistently good results assume a stable ink-water balance. Precise adjustment ensures thin and equal distribution of the dampening agent film on the printing plate.
    A responsible printer checks the adjustments every three months and adjusts in line with the operating manual.

    What I see time and again in my practical experience is that many printers follow the rule: “The more alcohol I add, the better it is.” We all know that this is wrong.
     
    This is what I can tell you regarding my daily experiences at work as a printing instructor:(also in UV printing)
    Not all water is the same
    Many printing companies draw water for dampening solution production from the drinking water supply without knowing exactly what it contains and how it affects the printing process. This can result in quality losses or printing problems, the actual cause of which often remains unknown. Targeted water treatment can remove many disruptive factors from the water.
    Consistent water quality
    Targeted water treatment forms the basis for optimal conditions. Water quality is much more important in alcohol-free and reduced-alcohol printing than in conventional offset printing with IPA. If the water hardness is too low or too high, this is immediately noticeable in the print result: if the water is too soft, the printing process tends to emulsify; if the water is too hard,
    it can cause the ink rollers to run dry due to lime deposits. Therefore, a constant, suitable water quality must be ensured.
    If this water hardness is not achieved or if the water quality fluctuates, the water should be treated by means of a hardening
    or reverse osmosis system before it is fed into the machine as a dampening solution.
    Along with print chemicals that affect the roller directly, external factors such as UV light, fountain additive, solvent and room
    temperature may result in premature ageing of the rubber.
    on UV printing, the service-life oft he rollers is as a rule shorter.
    long service life of the rollers can only be achieved with proper handling and maintenance.
    Print quality starts with the interaction of the inking and dampening system: Consistently good results assume a stable ink-water balance. Precise adjustment ensures thin and equal distribution of the dampening agent film on the printing plate.
    A responsible printer checks the adjustments every three months and adjusts in line with the operating manual.

    What I see time and again in my practical experience is that many printers follow the rule: “The more alcohol I add, the better it is.” We all know that this is wrong.
    Dear Joe, Do you have any practical experience with Heidelberg LotoTec rollers? We are currently using Westland MIX hybrid rollers and are printing on plastic and paper substrates. However, we are experiencing significant dot gain, particularly when running UV jobs. Based on your experience, would switching to LotoTec Hybrid rollers help reduce dot gain and improve print stability on plastic substrates? Thanks
     
  • This special LOGOTEC dampening roller from Westland was developed to achieve better results in alcohol-free printing. It also offers many other benefits for the dampening system, such as reduced cleaning requirements. However, only minor improvements in dot gain can be expected.
    In your case, the plate exposure for UV printing could be checked during the CTP prepress to counteract increases in dot gain.
    Are the cylinder packages on the blanket cylinder correct? There are many factors on the press that can negatively affect the halftone quality.
     
    ….we are experiencing significant dot gain, particularly when running UV jobs. Thanks
    Have you had the press fingerprinted with both conventional and UV inks? Or have you at least checked your gain measurement in the shadow, mid-tone, and highlight patches? Depending on the press and software, this may be achievable with option settings on your screen, and can be checked with any sheet scanned at the console.

    Whenever possible, when troubleshooting it’s always better to know what you’re actually dealing with first, before you go trying to solve something.
     
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