SM 102FP 1986 Feeder Timing Problem

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  1. dammkon

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    Hi
    i'm begginer in press and it s my first machine .
    here we had an operator that he has gone now and he was work with machine correctly . he start machine and when first sheet arrived to feeder he stop the machine and remove first paper and manually turnning operator inches then he strat machine and work well .
    but i dont know why he did this and how many paper should push to front layer
    also i know that i should Set Feeder Time in correct position
    but i dont know where is the degree and how can i found the start time degree
     
  2. junker1984

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    As head stops have just reached their lowest position, sheet should be 8mm away.
     
  3. dammkon

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    thanks for your reply
    ank position is true
    fuk position is true and seen in a corret position . my problem is timing feeder with machine
     
  4. junker1984

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    “Timing feeder to machine” is a difficult procedure to explain, and involves lining up white marks on unit #1 oscillation adjustment and engaging drive chain in the proper position at feeder clutch.
     
  5. junker1984

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    There are numerous adjustments at the feeder which may be causing you problems, like basic adjustment of feeder suction head, proper arrival of forwarding wheels to the forwarding roller, worn forwarding wheel bushings, worn bearings in drive tape idler shaft and proper positioning of guide wheels and racks. To list a few.
     
  6. Adil

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    Are you sure that you have a timing probleme please when the machine stop give me error on the MID monitor .
    And if you can take me a video of this operation it will be good .
    I think that you have a problem on the OS motor of oscilator or OS pneumatique cylinder of cylinder it deppend on your machine technologie .
    Give me video
     
  7. junker1984

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    1986. Pre-CPTronic.
     
  8. dammkon

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    Infact I dont know what's the problem .
    Ok I will send a video
     
  9. dammkon

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    If it possible send me step by step adjustment
    For example how can I found time degree on machine because I have a document that tell me set on 333 degree with edge 2 of adjust disk
    I found the adjust disk but I couldn't find deegrees
     
  10. dammkon

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    Cpc desk
     
  11. junker1984

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    1986 machine requires tooling that is available only to authorized Heidelberg Drukmachinen representatives. However, I'm sure by now, there are ways to acquire these tools. You must have a degree wheel, a degree wheel arbor and a zeroing flag.
     
  12. dammkon

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    What's that tool. How can I found that or a map to make tool
     
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  14. dammkon

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    Good . Could you scan with computer and send me in a real size to plot and make like that
     
  15. junker1984

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    I’m retired. I don’t have the capability.
     
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    Besides that, you should really locate an individual that knows these older machines to examine it for mechanical faults. I’m not convinced, due to 30 years of experience, that you have an answering switch problem.
     
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  17. dammkon

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    Ok
    Thanks .if it possible do it for me .
    Now I know what am I need
     
  18. turbotom1052

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    An automotive engine degree wheel will suffice. A suitable arbor shouldn't be too hard to fab up with appropriate hardware, and a pointer can be made with a wire coat hanger that has been sharpened to a point on the pointing end. The actual procedure as mentioned by Junker will be the hard part!!! Elimination of all the other factors that can be causing your problem would be the way to start. The proper timing spec of the sheet to the front lays would be the LAST step in the process and only after your certain that all the functions that Junker has mentioned have been verified as correct.
     
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  19. Adil

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    Please , take a video to see really what happens
     

  20. dammkon

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    helo-thanks all person that help me . its done .
     
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