MGI Digital Press

Discussion in 'MGI Digital Presses' started by RPode, May 11, 2009.

  1. RPode

    RPode Member

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    Does anyone have a Meteor DP60. Seen one at an open house a few weeks ago and no one seems to have heard of this machine. For about the third of the price of the competition this thing seems to good to be true. Oh and it prints on plastics. I am thoroughly impressed by it.
    Does anyone have an opinion on it good or bad.
     
  2. DigitalPrint360

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    Interesting machine

    I've seen the MGI DP60 - it's installed at a location in San Diego, and I've had the opportunity to tear it apart and see how well it runs. I did a review of it here, but the long story short is that it is a toner based press; it has a standard print size of 13" x 26"; it can print up to 16pt stock and 400 micron plastic; it runs with a pile, like a press; and it has about a .02mm front to back registration. It also has a growing base of installs. It originated in Europe, there are about 275 installs worldwide, and I think it has a couple of awards from Print 09.

    Andrew
     
  3. printguy1214

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    Hello,
    We have just put in an MGI Meteor DP60 Pro.
    It is an awsome machine. Prints on paper and plastic and will do variable data on plastic.
    Here is a brief description of its advantages.

    ADVANTAGES OF MGI DIGITAL PRESS
    1. Unsurpassed print quality—Significantly better than Xerox IGEN4, Kodak’s Next Press, Konica Minolta, Canon. Better than Indigo. Wider color gamut than offset and slightly better reproduction of difficult screens than offset, especially neutral grays.
    2. 13 x 47” sheet size, 12.6” x 46.5” image area. Up to 16pt
    3. Color fast,
    4. Prints on most synthetic substrates
    5. Prints on all types of envelopes
    6. Variable Data on synthetic substrates
    7. Excellent registration when running out of press air feeder
    8. PMS matching
    9. Output is imprintable on laser printers
    10. Auto duplex on 100# cover

    You may contact me at 800-295-1234 or paul@printingconcepts.com
    All the best.
    Paul Benevich
    Printing Concepts
     
  4. Haiko

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    Hi
    We have also recently put in a DP60 - really ncie machine. We have had no hassles with it yet, although we have only just started production on it, and still have to build up some experience. I personally find the Feeder a bit cumbersome, but this issue was resolved with a bit of practice and we also found that our paper store does not cut the paper well. Some papers available here in Namibia don't work well on the feeder as they are just simply too slippery (Ivory board 250-280 gsm), but they do work well from the "bypass" (registration out by 1mm aprox). We had one of the chaps from MGI France here with the installation and I must admit that their service - even from france - is absolutely superb!!! These guys know what they are doing and know what customer service is!!!

    We have yet to print on plastic though. It does work as we have played around a bit, but we mainly use the DP 60 to print on paper. Very happy with it!!

    We have now also invested in a Jet Varshish machine from MGI

    Haiko Bruns
    John Meinert Printing
    haiko@johnmeinert.com
     
  5. Flav M

    Flav M New Member

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    Hello everybody!
    I work with Meteor DP60 and Jet Varnish from MGI of about 3 months. Both are some great machines.I encountered some problems with the paper on feeder supply... but finally it was resolved. So far we are pleased and recommend it.
     
  6. sketchprinting

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    Old post, i know. But I am looking at the machine and wonder what the price is on the DB60, is it favourable with offerings from xerox etc.

    thanks
     
  7. CRocket

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    Very interested in how the performance of these installs have been thus far. We are researching the wide array of printers available and the DP60 has caught our eye!
     
  8. Michael4

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    We really could use a Printer that can do Vinyl.
    how hot does this machine run? Can it print on vinyl substrates?

    My CanonIP is blazing hot , too hot for many vinyl substrates.
    And plastic is a nice plus.
     
  9. RPode

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    I have seen this machine demoed, at a commercial shop that purchased one, several times now and the print quality is amazing! I even had some of our own materials printed on it. It's no speed machine but it definatly will fill the right niche. At one of the demos they were running a plasticy material (teslin I think) the were printing a hot spot fishing map. The stock they used didn't look distorted/melted at all. I'm not sure how this compares to vinyl but I just thought I would share. We were seriously considering purchasing one but the speed wasn't their for the quantities we do.
     
  10. Michael4

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    Im not sure how it compares either.
    It was to slow for you? have many ppm does it run?
     
  11. RPode

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    The brochure says Up to 3,900 8 1/2 x 11 sheets per hr and up to 1,600 13x 19 sheets per hr. They gave me a price of about 270,000 installed.
     
  12. Michael4

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    Thats not too bad. about the speed of my Imagepress..
    only the imagepress is about 175k, and cannot run many substrates..
     
  13. sketchprinting

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    Wow the price seems a little on the high side, substrates such as teslin can be printed on most if not all digital presses (they do different variations for different print machine types). It seems to match up price wise to HP indigos but in comparison to the copier based machines such as konica minolta etc it seems a bit on the steep side, for instance the new konica minolta can 8000 can print at 80pp on 350gsm stock (can easily take 400gsm stock) and is about half that price.
     
  14. Michael4

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    Sketch is right. But I have seen these MGI machines really before. So i can't judge too harshly.
    They claim amazing print quality, and they can do plastics among other items.

    If i had to choose MGI or an Indigo ... i would have to go Indigo. The liquid Ink system seems better suited for Vinyl then Toner.
    I'm pretty sure you can't do plastics on the Indigo. But im not sure there is a huge market for plastics , unless you special you business in plastic cards etc..
     
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    interesting machine i handled it easily more futurer
     
  16. Haiko

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    Printing on Vinyl on the DP60 is no hassle at all as I can set the fusing temperature as well as the tranfer volage from belt to substrate. So at first it is a bit of a fiddle but when the right values are found it is child's play. However, I have found that certain types of vinyl we get here in Namibia work better than others. If the vinyl has been in storage for too long, the print scratches right off very easily. Our stores manager receltly managed to buy some vinyl from a sign-shop which worked really well. This is vinyl used for stickers or decals!!!

    I also tried printing on teslin which worked well too. I had to take out the fuser unit (2 minutes) and disassemble it to clean out all the melted bits when we tried to print on Tyvec - but the tyvec we tried was very thin at the lowest fusing temp. It entered the machine and never came out - cleaning the mess was quite easy and took about 5 minutes. I also tried to print on to some clear vinyl, which peaople here use to cover coffee tables with. This did not work too well as the vinyl started to stretch under the heat of the fuser and would not eject the fuser unit. Cleaning up this mess too about half an hour as the vinyl was like bublegum and very hot - waited a bit for it to cool off.

    Again I guess one has to play around a bit with different substrates and settings. One also gets such a variety of substrates in different parts of the world.
     
  17. Haiko

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    As for the discussion on the pricing of the machine - I believe there are no "click charges" on the machine. You buy it and it is yours - you can do with it what you want - no charges per copy to MGI or Minolta or whoever. We buy the maintenance kits from MGI and install and service them ourselves - as simple as that. Being in Africa we can not rely on chaps sitting in germany, france or wherever to do maintenance - and we made this very clear when purchasing our DP60. Got the service manual and a skype connection in case there is serious trouble and the rest we simply do ourselves - saves a lot of work, time, money and downtime. We have had bad experiences in the past with really very "reputable" companies like Heidelberg where we were down for 5 days - (fortunately we had a backup machine in storage otherwise we could have closed shop).

    All in all we are very happe with the DP 60 and it helped us out a lot. Print quality is very good. I have not yet worked on any other digital press so I can not really compare results, but with me the machine would score 9 out of 10!!!
     
  18. WAO

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    Hi, Haiko
    You can tell me price DP60
    I received quote for meteor DP8700xl in us$300.000 and the salesman told me that I did not make the DP60
     
  19. OkiTech

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    Guys so you know - MGI is great machine but they take a Konica Minolta C6500 engine ( KM-6500 is what $30,000 ? $35,000 ? ) add a offset press feeder to it which surely cost some money to make and twist electronic / management somewhat but $300,000 for beefed up $35000 machine?! Hmmm
    So lets say AMG takes a S600 Mercedes and turn it in to a Rocket - S63 for like $40K on the top of what? $120 cost of a car itself, reasonably ? OK but how exactly you add up x9 - 10 of value to $30,000 production copier? I would agree that machine is great and MGI engineers had done an excellent job but once again, take it, tune it, beef it up sell it twice as much but not 1o times as much..... Dont you, guys, think that it feels like a rip-off?
     

  20. OkiTech

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    I was thinking - I could take my AB Dick Century 3500S press, get a most advanced KM press, Chop-off print part off the Cetntury and align Stream feeder to feed in to By-pass of KM-8000 and have first Digital press with stream feeder and still be under 100K :)
     
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