ink problems with t head

Discussion in '1-Color and 2-Color Offset Presses' started by kblack, Feb 12, 2012.

  1. kblack

    kblack Senior Member

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    I agree with you Ghuerth. I work for a small company but at the end of the day, week or month. We show a profit. And if i want to take a day or two off i can and the press sits. No payments, no pressure. With the help from FFR, Ziggy and Gheurth the quality has only gottn better. I sure wouldn't want payments on a 100,000 dollar machine. I can sleep at night, plus never have to worry about not getn a paycheck with bonuses on it hear and there. That is to me a no brainer. kblack
     
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    We small shops gotta help each other out cant afford to be callin a tech every month wouldnt make any money, a 100,000 dollar machine is not even close to something a shop of our caliber would ever consider, 40,000 maybe but that's pushing it. I also enjoy the bonuses here and there because we are just rockin the books.
     
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    i didnt mean a 100,000 dollar machine, i meant something like a 3302 not a heidi. surely the ryobi 3302s or hamada 242 ect come in at around 5 - 10k used which isnt much for a 2 colour machine
     
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    Not at all and they are good machines
     
  5. kblack

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    yea, it would be kind of nice to have a different 2 color press. 5 to 10k is not bad. maybe someday but for now will have to plug away with the old one. I think overall this 9910 and t head is in pretty good shape. It's just been a very long time that its had a good maintinence program.
     
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    Maintenaince is a key factor most people fail to realize that
     
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    tomorrow, i will write down the name and hopefully post a pic of the watering system on the 9910 so you guys know which one im talking about. a couple of days ago i was and still am getting a grinding sound. Not a squeek but grinding like there is a bearing going out. It just started but it is very much there. Not sure if there is a bearing on the non op side or just a clutch. will get more details and post.
     
  8. ghuerth

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    I have not looked back on the post but I thought you descibed a Kompac water system. It will have a metal top plate were the water bottle sits in the middle. It may have 2 or 3 rollers, 1 form roller, 1 metering roller which is adjusted on each side with a numbered dial on each side which is adjusted by unlocking a set screw on top frame and turning the knob on each side to increase or turn off contact. There may also be an oscillator roller that rides on the metering roller.
     
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    To some places 10,000 may as well be 100,000. When you have equipment that can do the job with some TLC and good information why invest in something else when funds are tight. I have customers that have 3302's with crestline water systems but have moth balled them because they can't afford the $1500 on each head to replace their rubber rollers. $1000 gets all rubber rollers replaced on 9910 and T-head.
     
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    yes, i believe it is a kompac. Everything you described is correct. It is really grinding. When you go to take the plate off and roll it back the clutch will not release, the only way i can get it to release is to stick a screwdriver in the corner of the non op side and slowly roll it back otherwise water splashes over the top making a mess. Is there a bearing on the non op side? I know that is where the noise and grinding is coming from, and to take it off is it the two bolts that go into the frame the only 2 bolts that hold it on.? as the back sits in a cradle.
     
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    The model number to the watering system is ab dick mod. (990) s.n.058086-0796 if that helps.
     
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    A picture would be best
     
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    Sounds as if the clutch driver on the form roller is not working correctly. Recommend Replacment. I usually replace the form and the driver, because with disassembly the driver will mar the shaft of the roller when extracting, if the bearings are locked up on the form shaft and the scored shaft will damage the new driver bearings, then a do over . If the damaged shaft is smoothed out with a file or emery cloth then the specs are not correct which will affect the new driver. The labor to replace one part is the same as replacing both form and metering roller and bearings, clutch driver and back plates for the seals. Be sure to check bearings on both rollers. The grinding could be the gear against the plate cylinder gear, you don't want to damage cylinder gear, NEEDS IMMEDIATE ATTENTION!!!
     
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    At those prices I havn't seen one that didn't need minor repairs like rollers, chains, ect. unless it was sold to make space for a new Heidelburg or shop closures which maintenace is the first cutback when financial problems develop.
     
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    Maintenance programs are key. Every one talks about a PM. What is a PM? I have customers that make a call for a PM and I schedule them for Monday morning. They exclaim that it will be to late because they are down and have a rush job on the press now! They don't need Preventative Maintenance they need Restorative Maintenance NOW!. Three types of Maintenance, Restorative-restoring to its operable condition, Preventative-lubriating, cleaning, and replacing worn parts before they cause down time, and Predictive- replacing parts that were out every 9 months on the 8th month for example , replacing all rubber rollers at a schedule time every 18 months, 12 months, 24 months whatever past rollers have shown signs of deteriation and needed to be replaced, ductor rollers usually more often than the rest.
     
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  16. kblack

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    Had a tech for 6 hrs yesterday. New bearings, clutch in compaq watering system. Complete going over of t head and many adjustments were made. Cylinder was off is why i couldn't get the grid to line up. That is perfect now. Goin in to print today. learned alot. Thanks FFR Ziggy and Ghuerth for all your help. will keep in touch though cause im sure i will be asking more questions. kb
     
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