Average Press Sheet setups?

Why not should i invest 300Euros /month and get a good pressman....

 

Every one does what he thinks is right

I was a press man in the past , and i can tell you and proof what i say - no printer can do what the CIP3 software can at the same time.
The pressman can guess what the ink keys should be open to , but only guess.
if he is very good , he will get it close in a short time.
if he is very very good , he will get "scan" the plates in 2 minuts and get very close to perfect on some jobs . and only close on others.
But the CIP file will open your ink ducts exactly right before you print the first sheet , and without "scanning" the plates.
almost every buyer of a new press will take this option. meny printers with 2nd hand presses want it too , but some times they will not invest the high price to enable the 2 expensive parts of software needed ( CTP to output INK PRO files / PPF , and the conversion to the press format - your press)
We solve that issue for them - we supply a cheap service and/or a good software at a very cheap price , so they pay less and get the same or even more in some cases.
You want to pay 300 Euro for a printer - why not , it is your shop , your money , your choice.
others may choose differently

 

Cip3 & pre/de inking only go's so far. If the press is not maintained and kept to a high standard, the Cip 3 profiles won't be accurate nor will the pre/de inking.

Also factor in if the facility doesn't have air conditioning or humidity control.
Temperature & humidity both play a critical role in stable fount dials which in turn leads to stable ink settings.

I've seen a press that when new, the operator fine tuned the cip 3 profiles & pre/de inking profiles and got down to 25 - 50 sheets for colour. Many years later and a lack of important technician maintenance, not the sort the press operator can do has seen this blow out to 100 - 200 sheets.

To stay competitive in the current market you need cip 3 at a bare minimum.

Try doing 20 - 30 make readies in one shift without cip 3. not going to happen.

 

Do you change oil in your car ?

why change oi; if the engin is still running ?

Maintenence is a must on any press. no technology will help you skip that.
Press must have good maintenence , good ink , clear & right water supply , good rollers , good blankets , well greased , and then you will get to color much faster and spot on very quick.

If all the above basic maintenance are not done right , no matter how good is your printer , he will tale long to make ready and print **** not quality.

SO what is the question ?
Yes , to keep it running and working for you well you need to keep your pres in good condition , bit if you don't , you pres will not work right in any way , with a 300 Euro/mpnth printer or a 3000/month printer (unles the 3000 Euro printer takes the time to get the press right.....

CIP3 in today's market is a real must , but some do not understand that , well , you can't help them all , some will for ever stay in the dark ...

 

Not disagreeing with you at all......

Just some print shop owners fail to realise that you need to maintain a press to keep it at the 50 sheets make ready
not have 5 year old rollers, major miss register issues, jamed ink duct keys etc etc...... yet still expect 50 sheet make readies as thats what the book says it should do

as I said yes you need cip3 in todays climate

 

well , at least some one think right

In fact we offer CIP3 , CIP4 and JDF solutions , all at a very affordable price and with the abillity to test them before any real money is invested.

THis is our service to this industry

Have a nice weekend

CIP3 service team

 

Maintaining a press and investing in CIP 3/ 4 are two different things.... CIP 3 will not help you if you have bad rollers or bad chemistry or bad inks or even substrate. It works only in a controlled environment, which is not always available. I m not against the new technology but in my view, only investing in technology, not in the pressman is waste of money . you can agree or disagree, but this is fact.

 

is it 1983 ???

once apon a time , meny years ago , a press operator was a Master of craft.
what he did with the press was like magic , and every one bowed to him.
Then it was no more a Master but a pressman , then an operator , and today , they call the MINDERS..... as the press will do a good job even if you are not a master of arts.

yes . it is important to know what you are doing , and it is important to know where you are going , but when you have the lastest technology you can gain market share of the clients who want a fast good & cheap job done for yesterday.

When you do not have that technology , even the best pressman on earth will tale longer to make ready , and when the job is short and the pay is low.... it is a clear furmula.

May every one have the power & health to do what he believes in

 

its 2012 Mr Meny....

 

100 sheets per colour for set up as a starting point. CIP3/CIP4 files are only as good as the time taken to keep the press in optimum condition and accurate curve settings.
Apparently the SM52 with Anicolor inking can get close in 20 sheets.
If you run small jobs on a press with a larger sheet size then (if you can) cut the sheet in half therefore reducing your makeready sheets by 50%.
I run alot of small runs (500-5000) on a SM74-4. It takes 135 sheets for the press to get to inking capacity and so I will run half the sheets and then put them back through to save paper.