roland 700 bum 617 communication error

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  1. GeorgeKs

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    good afternoon.i have a problem in a roland 705+L.when machine opens it occurs an error in the PU5 about the communication of fountain ink roller.i change the bum 617 with another PU and the problem transfers.so i guess that my problem is to the drive.i open and check many things inside and i didnt find any problem in the electrical part.i send it in a lab that the repair similar drives and they didnt find anything too.when the error on diagnosis occurs and you press enter to delete after 3-5 seconds shows up again.i was looking something else on the machine and by accident i press the enter button and delete this message about communication and i never comes back.i was surprised and i went to the PU5 to see what will happen now that i dont have the error and i press the button to activate ink fountain roller manually.it trys to start to the right direction but it scorches like didnt know the rotation.i close it immidiatelly.i found the diskette that has the parameter settings but i dont know how to uploaded to machine.as i didnt find any electrically problem on the board i guess that may there is a chance parameter lost.i wanna give it a try.can anyone help me how can i upload the parameters?i try to put the diskette with cold restart but it didnt work as i do with other diskettes.the machine is used and the drive was opened from previous owners.i noticed that they change some things when i open it for first time.thank you in advance.
     
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    Hello, yes if parameters are wrong, drive will move ink fountain roller in wrong direction. You need specialist engineer to program drive
     
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    Hello and thank you for your reply. As I saw in another forum someone refer to a program named parafin or winbass to upload or download parameters from another drive. As I saw on the diskettes sent with the machine, the parameters for bum617 are one single diskette. From other experience into a Roland 300 with cpl system we could upload the program from the diskette so I guess it's something similar to this. Otherwise the diskette will not be with the machine. If anyone knows the way I can upload the parameters from the diskette to bum 617 let me know. Thank you in advance and for your time.
     
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    hello
    Parameter setting on Baumüller drives takes place via an RS232 interface. Connection to converter BUM 617: B8 on the front plane and your laptop with a 9pol. 1 to 1-cable. run the program paraffin from the diskette and follow the instructions.
     
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    Thank you for your reply.yesterday i found a manual for bum 617 and i saw how to connect it to pc.and i have a back up the files into my computer from the diskette parameter settings with the parafin inside.today at night when i will finish my job i will try to do it when i will be in my company i have cables and everything.i will inform you from the progress.one more question please.can i do all these from windows or i must have dos?because i saw that the files from the diskette have .exe files.
     
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    you can do it with windows xp or 7
     
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    good afternoon.after 2 days trying to get connected with the drive i could not get the communication.i almost try everything.i took my laptop with com port. i took the rs232 cable.i put parafin in windows 7.i face a trouble runtime error 200 that it is for speeds of computer.i get in another way and open in with another dos program via windows 7.i make the instalation normally.i open the parafin normally.i have the file with the parameters loaded on the program.but i cant get the connection between them.i play with every combination for ports and everything.i test it in working printing unit but still cant get connection.i saw my electrical training manuals about the ink fountain roller in chapter 9 but it mention only the connection how to do it.and in one page tells me for further informations about parafin see chapter 3 that i dont have it.i dont know what i am doing wrong.any suggestions?thank you in advance.
     
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    Dear GeorgeKs,

    1. A MS DOS 16-bit application cannot access directly any IO/MEM hardware resources under WinNT3.1, and under the higher NT revisions, without starting a special driver. It looks like your .exe files were not compiled and linked for a WinNT system. You should check it in readme.txt files of your Parafin application.

    2. RS-232 cables are not the same. You should find a correct spec for such cable to be used with Parafin, or to take into account possible cross swapping of Rx/Tx signals, and may be also of HW Handshaking signals. Playing with establishing a prper RS-232 link becomes more easy with a RS-232 LED indicator.

    Regards,
    Oleg T.
     
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    Dear oleg
    I found an app named dosbox for windows.with this programm i tryed to open and install parafin with success.inside the program i have the possibility to choose to recognize direct serial connections from pc as COM1 the place that i have in my pc the port for the rs232.now i will try to search as you mention something like the drivers you called and try this.also with a quick search i found a rs232 adapter male/female with led indicators as you mention.i hope i will find something like this in stores in my place to try this also.i am afraid that in my manual for roland it refers about the chapter of parafin in my missing pages and i think i miss some steps.in parafin in a read me file mentions that you must put the drive in torque free mode.but it does not mention how to do it.and on drive there are some dipswitches that i can not change without knowing of course.i remember in other machine a three knife trimmer there was a drive for the meters where to cut.and in order to programm it i had to change one of them.it was in the specifications of the manual.
    Best regards
     
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    Dear GeorgeKs,

    1.a. Installing a DOS application(puting it on a disk), and "configuring" a COM number/speed/stop-bits/..(selecting the parameters in a text file or in a RAM relocatable register) of a DOS application - it is near nothing under a WinNT OS. The problems start when the DOS application attempts actually to access HW resources directly, while WinNT blocks such attempts. I am not familiar with the DOSBox. It looks as a game oriented DOS emulator, and may be it passes COM ports IO/.. addresses and the corresponding HW/SW interrupts via Windows, at least for COM mouse handling, but I am not sure that DOSBox COM/IRQ drivers/handlers are fully functional and have been tested to work correctly in all modes of COM ports.
    1.b. You will not find any Win driver for a DOS Parafin. No one was interesting to develop that, if that was not done by Parafin deveopers, and/or they have not developed another Parafin revision for WinNT systems.
    1.c. As to me, if your Parafin is for DOS, the best way is to install DOS or FreeDOS on a system with a real COM port (without any USB/COM adapter experiments).

    2. I have not found a documentation for BUM 617, but hope the RS-232 cable is the same as in BUM-618/619: https://www.baumueller.com/en/download/bum-618-619-manual-en-gb
    A correct RS-232 cable selection/9-25-adapters/manufacturing require accurate efforts in order to success.

    3. You should look on the BUM/MAN Roland documentation as to a DIP SWitch setting if that is actually required for parameters loading/unloading via RS-232 port.

    My comments are basic and they are not limited only for MAN Roland BUM drives nor for other RS-232 links.
    Technicians who deal with the Parafin a few times a day would be able to instruct you in more practical aspects.

    Regards,
    Oleg T.
     
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    Dear Georgek,
    You should contact a trained engineer who knows how to do it
     
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    Dear Friends,

    As per the BUM 618 manual, a simple pin-to-pin(with no cross) DB-9/DB-9 cable should be used. Any diligent schoolboy can do it, including a "trained" engineer. But both of them should follow accurately the Parafin and BUM instructions, which are available.

    Train!
    Oleg T.
     
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    Dear Oleg T,
    Every school boy is not deligant as you were!
     
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    Ok gentlemen.i am very glad for your opinions and your help.i cannot leave this job to someone else I have to try it on my own.there are many reasons.if I could I would leave it to someone with specific knowledge.if someone have some pdf that can help I will be glad communicate with me here or in my personal email.i found another way to try to make the communication tomorrow I will do it.wish me luck.i am 30 told if I always leave the job in half I will never learn and I like my job..have a nice day.really thank everybody for your advices.
     
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    Definetely good luck to you for your efforts. But there is always time bound for every problem. You can not keep it unsolved for long.Yes if you do have machine as spare , you can take as much as time you want
     
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    Dear GeorgeKs,

    All, the current engineers and school boys are trained basically with WhatsApp chats stimulating a deep overall stupidity now, instead of books and class hours. Your winning intentions are very constructive and respectable, you will win!

    You have all for the success: BUM-618 manual(page .., 51,..), Parafin program, a standard RS-232 cable, your head and arms. Just do not touch your "smart"-phone and do not ask here anything more until your success.

    Regards,
    Oleg T.
     
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    Dear Oleg
    Thank you for your good words.
    Our opinions match.wish you all best.have a nice day
     
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    I think you must assign com1 to your adaptor in the ports (control panel) settings, only the selection of com1 in parafin will not allow the communication with BUM drive.
     
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    Good morning. Thank you for your advice. I will give it a try. Have a nice day.
     

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    morning and good luck
     
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