Xerox 560 vs C75...

We recently got a Xerox 560 with an oversize feeder and so far we are very pleased with it. Last month we ran just shy of 100,000 clicks on it. Of course the salesman made a comment that we should be looking at upgrading to a C75 or J75. Really though I don't see much of an advantage other than the speed, which really isn't as important as having more money in my pocket each month. Can anyone tell me if there are some other benefits besides speed? As far as capacity we aren't even keeping it running 5 day a week. Also I have had the maintenance guy tell me, while working on our 7556, that these machines are pretty reliable even at higher than recommended usage. I did see that the C75 and J75 can duplex up to 300GSM papers which would be nice, but certainly not anything we have to have.

 

I'm awaiting samples now from both the 560/570 and C75.

The advantages of the C75 that interest me are
1.) the gloss patch mode option for printing gloss on kromekote/ultragloss, and
2.) better registration and skew correction options

Your volume on the 560 is impressive! (we've run 1.4 million on a 242 but average only around 25-30k 11x17 a month.)

 

Hi Jeff,

That gloss patch mode would be of some interest. If it performs like I expect. I have to say that so far I am very pleased with the 560. If it didn't have the OHCF and the Fiery though it wouldn't be half the machine. Actually the only two things I would really like, but I am not sure if they justify the expense, are faster speeds on 13x19 gloss cover and duplexing of gloss covers.

Love to hear if there is a printing quality difference between the 560/570 and the C75. My understanding is that they should be virtually identical.

 

I would say the two main advantages are the ability to auto duplex 300 gsm stock and more options for creating Custom Stock Profiles for Registration, Skew, Image Transfer etc. You also get some bundled software called "Simple Image Quality Adjustment Tool" which allows you to semi automatically adjust Alignment and Density Uniformity, something you'd normally have to call out a tech to fix. I can't say in practice how useful this is though.

 

How on earth do you guys manage to do 100k clicks per month baffles me lol. Ive done barely 180k in almost 5 years eek mind you everyone does have different purposes for their machines and we are set within a small particular niche where each click of ours is worth a lot of money however none the less any ideas how I could increase volume on my machine to every day customers

 

We have regular mailings with variable data on both sides that account for around 15,000 13x19 clicks per month. Then, partly because we are so small and trying to get by with the people we have, we put our black jobs that are 1,000 or less on there as well. Then we have full color jobs that we put on it if they are short runs. Instead of being tied up running our 4 color press I can let this machine run while running the press on longer runs. We also have a regular catalog the we run in full color and the fold and saddle stitch on the 560. It is 19,000 clicks of 11x17 sheets.

So they all just add up. On a 1,000 B&W run we can run it two up and pay Xerox $5 and that leaves me free to do other things vs making a poly plate and running it on the press. If work wasn't so sporadic we would hire another person and run more offset, but right now this is working great.

 

With that volume I'd definitely be going down the J75 side of things, it's more production based than the 560. Hell keep that volume up and you should be looking at a C800P

 

With the volumes we are doing though we still have the machine sitting idle much of the time. Until we are keeping it running 8 hours a day I find it hard to justify paying more and upgrading unless I am getting something else besides speed.

 

The main differences between the machines are as follows.
The J75 runs at FULL speed no matter what the stock is, it also has a standard mode and production mode which is used to switch the machine between full speed mode and "DCP 700" mode which is 18 pages SRA 300 GSM per minute (or there abouts). The J75 also runs a Pro RIP's being Fiery Pro or Freeflow. It also has the SIQA package as well as an ILS "in line spectrometer" which is built into the D4 finisher, which means gone are the days of "calibrating your rip using the glass or ES1000 hand held spectro.
The C75 runs a bussle RIP which is faster the the intergrated/ bussle fiery that comes with the 560. The C75 runs at just normal speed where it alters the speed of printing depending on the stock thickness. It will duplex 300 which is the same as the J75.
The 560 is a glorified office printer. It has some good features in SRA tray 1, you can to a degree control registration but NO way near as good as a C/J75 or even a DCP700 for that fact.

The fact that the J75 runs at full speed will pay for itself in no time. But if $ is an issue then the C75 is the way too go.
Enjoy

 

Thanks for the post. We never use the internal trays, except for 20#. Without the OHCF this machine would be useless for us.

Currently we can use the rip to tweak image position if needed.

So the attached Fiery on a C75 is faster than the one on the 560? That would be useful. I am also wishing we could duplex heavy papers without constant jams.

 

Yea I'd agree the 560 is more a graphic arts printer with some production ability where as the J75 is a true production printer. The ability to choose between Productivity Mode and Standard Mode on a job to job basics is very useful. I've yet to see if the ILS is a true replacement for a ES2000 Spectrometer but if so yes that also saves one daily chore.

 

I have a Xerox C75 and the Xerox 770 Available for sale or lease

 

Just be careful though. The J75 in production mode, you cant print and scan to email or PC at the same time. But you can in standard mode.

 

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