Komori Litherone G40

What are the strengths and weaknesses of this? (more importantly, what are its weaknesses)
Also, is there any specific type of printing this press is strong or weak in?

 

The biggest problem with this press is...

The biggest problem with this press is... that it has no HEIDELBERG on the side of the delivery , but KOMORI CORP.....

his is a very good press , fast , high quality and top durabillity and all for a very fair price.

If you compair it to any similar product on the market , it can only be an XL press , nothing elss will get any close.
And as the XL is higher in price.....go for the G . that's your spot (press

Better efficiency
better dot quality
better automation
better response to any change
faster make ready

and cheaper to own

What more do you wish to have ?

 

Thank you for your response.
So this new Komori is really al that?

 

Komori G40

As Meny mentioned, the G40 is a huge value for money press...but there is one issue in which it is "weak" compared to the Heidelberg XL 105

The Xl 105 is a 18,000 speed machine...G40 is a 16,500 speed press

However...the GLX40 is an 18,000 speed press

I hear from many printers that Heidelberg presses take only 4-5 sheets to adjust inking and fine tunings during a job change. We have a Console less Miller TP104-4 and it takes like 50 sheets to get things ready


I am not sure how komori performs in this regard ...maybe Meny could give us a few tips from his experience with komoris.

I personally would like to know if the PQC console on the Komori is better than the CP2000....CP2000 is just superb ! even a rookie can operate it without training

However, one unbeatable advantage a Komori press holds over the Heidelberg is the ROI period....Its much faster compared to the Heidelbergs...low maintenance, easy automation , less price !!!

At the end of the day, price beats everything...and when a product of less price than a Heidelberg / KBA performs neck and neck with those two beasts, I dont see anything wrong with placing an order on a Komori...

 

I'm stultified, 4-5 sheet make ready, lets all send our estimators to learn from your pressman. Don't let X-rite hear about this, you'll put them out of business after you train all of us.

 

Proslac , i disagree ...

It is up to one word and a lot of expectations

The word is @right@
Put the ink on paper / put the @right@ ink on paper

If the customers of the above printer are looking for ink on paper - he is right
if his customers are looking for the right ink on paper and stable output - then he is way out and not conected to earth...

The Komories can get (under strict lab terms) to good results (high quality commercial , but still not perfect) down to 20 sheets , but 4-5 ????

The press has no way to get stable , not even a HEIDELBERG XL...

Get real..... or reel away..

Meny

 

Re: Amendment

@proslack: Would like you to read my prev comment again friend...I mentioned that I have just heard from some of the pressmen here...never really seen it yet to beleive it...

I paid a visit to one of the chaps today...This is the situation at their place....

They have a Heidelberg 2003 SM 102-5P2 (1+4) ; and it has been interlinked to their CTP for inking adjustments (Present linking?)

Regarding the minimum sheets consumed during makeready, I guess he might have been bluffing....he says now that they use like 30-40 sheets.....Either way, I have never seen a Heidelberg's makeready in real to justify it....just seen a fleetway of Millers

 

make ready sheets

Mr Vikram
any press needs to get to a stable speed before it can print stable & identical sheets , one after the other.
Before you get to that speed , you must be ready with:
1. the right amount of ink on your roller system
2. set up to supply exactly the same amout to the roller system as your plates takes for each sheet , so you do not go up / down with your ink train , or you will have changes in your print.

To get that , you need a lot of sheets ran in the press , or you can get quite close by using CIP3 / 4 pre-inking files , and a proccess that de-inks and reinks your press to get you the right amount of ink on the rollers for the job.

Can you get a Heidelberg or any other press (not Digital , to the exact amount of ink in 3-4 sheets ? - NO WAY

are you able to feed your sheets to the Heidelberg (or other press at your final printing speed so that the sheet will get the ink at the same running speed as others (no increas / decreas in speed) with 3 sheets ????5 sheets ? 10 sheets ?

you need not believe this , you should say NO WAY as someone is pulling your leg....

Getting closer is the new Komories , with the KHS-AI technology , pre-inking & de-inking , stable CIP files that are constantlly altered acording to presmen operations on press , and only if you keep your press in TOP condition , not like most presses in India.

I think that the best result for money is a new Komori as:
1. it is as automatic it can go , and it works very well
2. it is very cost effective and saves time at all steps of the proccess
3. it saves time & paper on make ready - better then any other
4. it is cheap to keep - cost of ownership - lowest

I have nothing against Heidelberg or KBA , but if i have to vote for one - i vote KOMORI.

Reasonable make ready sheets in a practical well taken care of shop at normal working condition - 30-40 sheets / job , nothing less to callculate.

Some printers start running after 12 sheets. possible some times , but would never sign for it.

Good luck
Meny

 

I Agree...I seems that handling these Millers and all the noise for the past year makes me buy into whatever the people running Younger machines say. Will be on my guard the next time someone says something flattering about their presses

 

What you can do....

you can get your millers closer by adopting new methods & tools
it is much cheaper then changing presses.....

Meny
menybor@yahoo.com

 

I have seen the SM102 running and when inking got to resemble its CIP link then a light at the top is turning from Red to orange and then Green it means that you achieved the results which is guided by CTP Linking system on CP2000. But u know what I learned there its 150 sheets in between job changes which achieved 100% inking what it intended to be. So talking about 4-5 or 30-40 sheets is again useless and not possible.