Komori sprint 1971 sholud I buy ?

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  1. Sonu123

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    Hi All !!!
    I want to purchase a double color offset machine (size- 19x25). I looked a komori sprint 1971 in a shop at very attractive price. Should I buy this press ?
     
  2. Meny

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    IF
    a. the press was checked and found that it is working to original spec with all parts and systems in good condition , and this is the kind of press you need , and the price is good and you can even pay it...YES

    If the press has problems due to age or bad service , it can be expensive to fix .
    No one can realy give you an answer as to how much.

    SO if you know how to check this press and it is found good - why not buy it.
    If you do not know how to check every sub-system on the press , get some one who is a Komori profesional to check for you and give you the answers.

    Do consider , that by saving a little on the deep inspection & testing of the press you could be asking for high cost ever after...

    Good luck
    Meny
     
  3. Sonu123

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    Dear Meny,
    The press is in running condition. Owner has bought a Lithrone that's why he is selling this machine. Price is just 10000$. He said- you can inspect the press any time. I want to do process color work on it. Current owner told me its a very good press. He used it mostly for process color work. He also said It has some problems but he is paying for fixing them. I want to know that How to inspect the machine ? What should I look in it ? I'm anxious about the age of machine. Please give me your precious advice. Thanks for replying.
     
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    If you have to ask how to inspect it, it is better to pay someone who knows these machines to inspect it for you thoroughly. I am not surprised he has said it is a good machine, he is trying to sell it. Also he told you the machine has some problems but you didnt ask him what they are, this is very impotant because if it is a expensive problem and he is saying he is going to repair it, he is probably lying because know one is going to sell a machine for such a small amount of money and then spend more repairing it.
     
  5. Meny

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    I wrote this very clear!!!

    If you know how to check every sub system on this press and make sure it is as good as he tell you - do it , take a full day minimum and check it all.

    If you do not know exactlly how , do not take his word . nor take some ome who operated this press once...

    Take a PROFFESIONAL KOMORI engineer , who has the know how to check , and ask for a full report in writing.

    If you buy the press for 10K , and then need to pay 20K for parts and extra 10K to put them in... you are in a bad place.....

    10000 is not cheap - do not be mislead by the price.
    A cheap price is when you get a very good product for way under the market price.
    1971 press is a cheap press to buy , anbd if it is not fully operational in veru good condition , and has some "problems" then you are enterring a bad deal.

    Take a PRO , or you may cry later...

    good luck
     
  6. Sonu123

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    Thank you very much sir for your valuable advice.
    Good day.
     
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    Sir, I want to ask one more question. My 90% jobs are 11x17 inches on coated 90 gsm-250 gsm paper. I'm currently using canon and xerox machines for short run printing but for long run (500-10000) I want to buy a press. My budget is not too high for a 4-color press. I want to buy a double color offset machine and a CtP or image setter for plates. Please suggest me best options. I've used single color multiliths before but I'm new in color offset printing. Which equipments should I buy ? and which options and sub systems should I look for ?
     
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    What you can get for your money is never as good as you wish , or you wish too little

    a 4 color press would make your life easy , but as you say it is a budget related issue.
    How high / low is you budget?
    you did not say , so it is hard to help you on this.

    Komori presses are good presses , supply you (if in good condition) with high quality at a rather low $ when 2nd hand.
    So a Komori press is a good choice.
    A CTP is good investment in your proccess - a 2nd hand one can do as well as new for some time and costs only a fraction of new.
    You can get an old year 2000 CTP for a very low budget , but again . the fact that it is working today is not in any way a proof that it will do so next week - you must check all systems as Laser head , proccessor , Rip , vacum and more - if you buy a CTP that is at the end of the laser life , you could pay 5000 for the CTP , and shortly 25000 for a new laser (and it is always higher when you are under pressure....)
    The older the system you buy , the more potential for problems but less automation to check , but if you need to fix it , parts can be very painfull to buy as the press grows older.

    So do not take a Komori operator / CTP operator to check for you.
    Take a factory qualified engineer that has all the tools & knowledge to check it all and tell you the exact cost of getting the equipment to work for you as it is expected.

    Taking a short cut and buying cheap can turn out to be very very painfull
     
  9. Sonu123

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    Dear Meny,
    My Budget for both offset and Ctp is 40K $. Please suggest me how to get best of my money. I don't know anything about CtPs. In India Technova is selling inkjet Ctp systems at very affordable prices. They image metal plates directly on a epson printer, then bake it in a oven. Is this technology good enough for process color printing ? this system is priced at just 10-12K for brand new. I'm looking for a double color offset as I said my 90% jobs are 11x17 inches. Is it wise to buy a ryobi 3302 ? An engineer told me he has a 3302 with chiller at very attractive price in very good condition. What is chiller ? What are its advantages ? is it a good press ?
     
  10. Meny

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    How to spend your budget

    40000 $ is a reasonable amount for a small 2 color press and a ctp , if you are not expecting new andadvanced equipment.

    If i put on scales a Komori or a 3302 , i would go for the komori as it is better in ouality and better built.
    Sprint is not the same format as 3302 - 3302 is smaller so a Sprint is more of a press and more capable.

    A CTP you can get for 10000 $ - a real CTP
    The ink jet based devices are ok for low capacity , but for a real printshop ? , i would not spend the same money to get less.


    if you want i can help you find a good & cheap CTP + press for your budget.


    you will need to invest in getting your poeple to know how to operate them - it's a basic learning curve , but you can not avoide it.

    Best regards

    Meny
    menybor@yahoo.com
     
  11. Sonu123

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    Dear Meny
    Thanks for your help and sorry for late reply. Import duty is very high in India so I'm searching machine within India. Please suggest me what should I look for my budget ? Which CTP system and which machine should I buy that would fit in my budget ?
     
  12. Meny

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    My opinion is to go in a different path

    Presses are sold new around the world , but in most cases , when a press is sold to india it is 2nd , 3rd or even more hand and meny years after it was first installed.
    So most of the presses in India are old to very old.
    Once in India , printers try to keep the presses working at all cost , and when i say at all cost , that is at the lowest cost , with out original parts , company educated engineers and so on.
    When you buy a press from Europe , you normaly get a reasonable press that still has some life in it , but if you buy a used press from India , it has very little if at all life left in it.
    I would not call this a smart move.
    I think that by looking for your press in India you are endangerring your money.

    Meny
     
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    Hi
    Komori is a nice press but never buy the older one the sprint
    Upto 1983 is really high on maintainence . Must have been
    A good press in that time not today rather wait till you can afford a 1995 or later
     
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    Meny has a point warning u on this purchase I wld go with his advice
     

  15. Sonu123

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    Dear Meny,
    Thanks for your advice. You are right in india most presses are sold very old.
    Mr. packoprint,
    Thanks for your opinion I noticed you are in India. Where you are located ? What should be good price for 1995 or later komori sprint 226 ? I'm in talk with some people in Faridabad and Delhi. Please your any advice would be very helpful.
     
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