SM74 4 color versatility on paper and board

i just going in for max 330 gsm SBS board job and 400 gsm Duplex Board is once or twice a year and never go beyond 400gsm

 

Go for SM 72 if u have a low budget. We have 2 SM 72 presses and doing fine with 350 Gsm. Try to find a straight press.

 

meny is sm 102 has the same advantage which sm72 has i mean larger cylinders.
no doubt cost of production in both sizes is different but if we dont have 72s much available then buying a sm74 is wasting money around 175000 euros then its better to have purchase a 1992-1994 model sm 102 and i dont think the running cost for its entire life will comes out to be more than wasting 175000 euros once i purchased sm 74 and then not satisfied and again look out for another press within 6 months then it could easily give me a setback of around 20000 euros in installation and other unforseen expenses so better to spend a little higher ang get 102 and i calculated its running cost and plates cost will give me 12 years more with 20000 euros and costing of running sm74 and sm 102 so now suggest should i go for sm 102 if yes then what year period is better to have and sorry to say that in our area there is no komori and service will be hard to get and i asked komori india and they told that they dont serve older than 1995 machines so suggest now

 

SM 102 also has the marking issue. As I run a 6 color 102. You need to put on super blue nets to eliminate the problem.

 

which year is better coz i searched the net and as per meny said very few presses there and if any straight machine is there they are priced so higher and become out of reach 1985-1986 machines are still available but as per the automation is concerned they are less automated.
and i also want to know whether more automation has to do anything with the printing quality also or just a time saving ?? coz in india labour is still cheap and we dont mind spending a little more time in changing plates and if no cptronic then registration but i want cpc machine and later after 1-2 years may move to CD model machines so what do u say all about this

 

then should we look for CD102 older models coz in 102 older cd models available on the net as per the listing
if there be older models then which year period is best to choose from above 1994 is out of our reach

 

Here in Pakistan we prefer to buy presses from late 80's. as they are cheap and still do good job. With these presses you have CPC for register and inkikng, and if you go for Cptronics, I dont think so that it will help you much with time saving, you get more elctronic errors with these presses as we have power fluctuations in the sub continent all the time.

 

The size of the cylinder of a SM 102 is smaller from the CD 102 , but bigger then the SM 74
On every press that has FULL transfer cylinders (dummies) you must cover the cylinder with an antimarking solution , SuperBlue beeing one of the known ones.

I know of a very good SM 102 5 colors & coater at a fantastice price
It has CPC , CPTRonic , Alcolor , IR dryer and washers , and it is so very very cheap
press is under production and you can test it , bit only if you are fast as they will very shortly sell it at the offered price.

Talk to me for details
+44-79-24232341

 

meny my english is a bit bad at speaking

 

well by the looks of it, you are prohibited by price, but you still insist on heidelberg. but for the Same money you can get a better, higher spec and newer machine but you dont want to because of support. well let me kick you a senario, i have run allsorts of machines, now i own my printworks, we started with an old roland 600. Then we canged it for a Roland 700, this machine was moved by an engineer that has never moved a roland 700 before, never installed one before and never worked on one before, the same engineer also repairs this machine, what im trying to say is, any engineer worth his salt can repair any Machine. Of course it may take more looking at diagrams, and drawings but ...

 

well brother roland has very less presence in india and i dont think they have any office in india 6months back now they might have it but i have not heard
but main problem is this that service + spares matter much while operating a machine. heidelberg is more popular here in india and komori is at 2nd place and rest of other machines way behind and roland is conern very few houses has it who can afford to hire a full time mechanics at their premises and i know those big ones but at smaller cities and non metro cities in india its difficult to get the service and spares and wasting many days before they reach. so its bit funny but situation here is like this big cities and metros no problem what ever u buy u get full service and spares but moving to tier 3 cities it take atleast a week before some mechanic planned visiting your place. so have to see everything before making a purchase

 

Roland man

I agree with you , but it is hard to support a press where money is very short and with lack of knowledge.

Some will take a HD and never touch a Roland , and some will do it the other way round...

It's no logic nor rocket sience , it is Humane....

 

send me your e-mail address
I will send you all the details by e-mail

 

its india286@hotmail.com

 

yes i heard roland is very good press but again i am telling u support issues are quote high
tell u one thing here at my city Dominant is very popular and we call it 2minutes (a faulty pronounciation) here in india 2 is called doe in hindi so its sound like dominant and what it means is that dominant can breakdown in 2 minutes and get up and running in 2minutes coz mechanics and spares and service of everything is just every street corner hahaha but its true and HD is concern we just did have 7-8 of them and mine sm72 was the 1st speedmaster in my town when i bought it in 2010 and i got sweat even getting service from heidelberg but still the support is there so these are some issues for which i would like to sitck to HD coz we now ourselves learned a lot and minor repair works our operators are doing as the right said need is mother of invention

 

meny my email ID is india286@hotmail.com pls send me the details of the machine
best regards
sukesh

 

the speedmaster 72 does NOT have double cylinders. I suggested it because although not double cylinders, they are larger cylinders that wont force the sheet to wrap around it as tight. A larger diameter cylinder will allow for a smoother passage through the press when it comes to thicker board substrates. The last years of 72 production came with cptronic, and even offered a semi autoplate if remember correctly. I think plate cocking was also an option. Although not nearly as automated by todays standards a well cared for later model 72 could still be productive in a not too competive enviroment. Here in the United States 15 minute multicolor makereadys are expected, and run speeds in excess of 13000 per hour are comonplace. In the hands of a competent press operator you can expect 45 minute make readys and 10 to 11000 per hour run speeds from a 72. Of course the run speeds will drop a bit if your printing on heavy board. I myself do not like superblues and prefer the Heidelberg jackets on the transfers but to each their own.
On final note... i would advice you to stay away from a perfector model unless you have the work to utilize it often. The perfecting hardware is prone to more wear and more frequent repairs even if well maintained. A perfector also comes with replaceable jackets on the impression cylinders following the perfector that do require changing after a period of time.
It should also be noted that I do not sell printing equipment!!!. My observations are those of a person that has over the course of the last 35 years actually worked on or supervised the running of presses. What you buy has zero effect on my bottom line.

 

just go for sm72 you will not regret it and if you can find on like above said with no perfector you will save yourself money on the purchase and have a machine that can be repaired and maintained easier and a lot cheaper okay its slower to make ready but if you have cheap labour you wont have any problem I personally would not bother with Roland and komori is you will find they are cheap for a reason(no body wants them well not in the UK anyway)

 

Well My Urdu is very good

 

but one problem that its difficult to find straight sm72 4 or 5 colors so i am looking for a sm102 press which are abondanally available
but i really wonder why heidelberg made sm74 so light that no body is recommending it and that too after sm72 which was a huge success
successor always meant to be better then why they planned sm74 so light machine. a blunder by heidelberg??