Apparent Harddisk Failure

Discussion in 'DI Presses' started by e.ezeano, Aug 17, 2010.

  1. e.ezeano

    e.ezeano Member

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    On powering up the DI classic press, I discover that the computer hangs after it displays the following boot up messages:
    7808 KB Ram test...
    Ok
    SCSI BIOS Installed Successfully!
    Power Management/APM Disabled
    256KB Cach Memory
    90 MHZ Single Processor System

    Could this mean a hard disk failure or a corruption of the operating software?
     
  2. Paul Cavanaugh

    Paul Cavanaugh Senior Member

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    Typically you would get an error that tells you "Hard disk cannot be found, booting from a:"

    If you have a bootable diskette you may be able to go to C: and see if you can read the files on it.
     
  3. e.ezeano

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    Thanks Paul.

    I tried all the 3.5" diskettes that I found and none could boot the system. I fixed an IDE harddisk formatted with Windows XP and I got an error message "Error loading operating system". Perharps because it expects Windows NT 4 operating system.

    Don't you think this confirms that the SCSI harddisk is bad? At least the PC saw the harddisk.

    I am thinking of installing windows NT 4 server into an IDE harddisk and restoring the the backup on the QM RIP PC. Do you think this will help?
     
  4. Paul Cavanaugh

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    The press PC runs DOS. I have never attempted to run Windows on it before and do not even know if it is possible.

    As for the 3.5 disks you tried were any of them formatted to be bootable? If they were just for footprints, more than likely there was no boot sector on them.

    The typical way to replace a harddrive was to use a bootable floppy, format a new hardrive with a 100 meg partition and a 2 gig partition. Next you use the restore command on your bootable floppy to copy the back up software from your RIP to your Press PC. Then you should be good to go.

    Without that boot floppy you could have some issues doing all this.
     
  5. e.ezeano

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    Thanks again Paul.

    Please do you know the version of DOS it is running?
     
  6. archipelago

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    My post may be way out in left field or even a foul ball as I'm not familiar with this press -- if Paul or one of the other gurus replies, please ignore my reply here. But with other computers and servers of this era, the bios could have a setting to boot first from scsi, second from ide, third from xxx, and so on. Or it could be set to only boot from scsi. So I don't think connecting an ide disk instead of a scsi disk confirms anything unless you're sure it would boot from an ide disk. You might be able to use something like http://www.bootdisk.com/ or http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ to see if you could read anything from the scsi disk or if it's toast (not sure if any proprietary scsi drivers would be needed), but it sounds like the restore is a proprietary function of the emergency boot disk supplied... anyway when a guru replies, ignore my 2 cents which may need to be adjusted for inflation...
     
  7. jan

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    Hi Ezeano,
    your harddisk is either broken, or only the software is demaged.
    Don't try any windows version. It has to be DOS as Paul has written.
    Can't remember version of DOS , recent one, I think 7.xx or 8.xx
    I copy for you Heidelberg KIT info about HD replacement, as you see, you could use both IDE or SCSI disk.
    rgds
    Jan
    Replacing the existent SCSI hard disk with the new EIDE hard disk
    Hard disk kit A4.114.8011/
    Hard disk with flat cable
    Floppy disks for update version DI 02.41/03.41
    Floppy disk for driver installation
    EPROM, version CPT2 DI 05.00 ZTK
     
  8. Paul Cavanaugh

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    The DOS version is 6.22 and as Archipelago mentioned there is the ability to set up the BIOS as to which drive to boot to. It should already be set to boot to A: if there is a HD failure.

    I am attaching a step by step set up to rebuild a new harddrive.
     

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  9. e.ezeano

    e.ezeano Member

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    That's a very useful information Paul. Thanks

    Finding DOS 6.22 has been a major headache. I found two imperfect ones with bad sectors, at least one was able to boot the computer. Interestingly, I was able to see drive C: and D:, the directories looked intact. Infact I ran scandisk from the local DOS directory and it did not report any bad sector on C: or D:, though it displayed several errors on directory structures.

    However, after rebooting the PC, I saw an error message

    "Primary HDC Failure
    Press F1 to RESUME"

    When I press F1, it boots with the DOS Diskette and I can look at drive C: as I did previously.

    My next endeavour is to locate a full version of DOS 6.22 and attempt to install DOS onto the system, perharps make it bootable. I'm not considering formating the Hard disk at this time. I'm not sure but I have a feeling that the software problem can be corrected.

    I hope I'm right!