Xerox 700 VS Konica Minolta C6501

Hi folks! I'm new here. I've been in the wide format printing business for several years and would like to buy a new machine to offer new products. This will be my first copier and I would like to get your opinion.

1- Xerox 700 + 2 oversize high capacity feeder + light production C finisher + booklet maker
-it's my favorite brand
-still have a bypass tray (good for me)
-25 sheets booklet
-100 sheet stapling
-include hole punching (good but don't really need it)
-include a post inserter (could be useful)
-have a total of 3 decurler
-can't add more finishing options.

2- Konica Minolta C6501 + 2 oversize high capacity feeder + FS-607 finisher
-don't have a bypass tray
-20 sheets booklet only (still ok for me)
-50 sheet stapling only (still ok for me)
-don' have the punch kit
-don't have a post inserter (sold separately)
-only have the internal decurler
-lots of possibility of expand modules.
-have different folding options (could be useful)

My main business will be making colour booklets and books (so the PB-502 perfect binder with KM will be a future buy).

-The service quality/delay is the same in my area
-The price per clic are the same

My main concern is the Xerox cost 15000$ more. Does the quality of the xerox worth the price difference?

The KM tech told me the C6501 don't need many decurler like the xerox because the toner and temperature is different. He also claim I could print letterhead that will be safe for any regular laser printer and not the xerox.

My pocket tell me to buy the KM but my heart say Xerox.

So with that said, what do you think?

 

I have the same problem. Did you buy a machine yet ?

I went to see the C6501 the other day.

The registration is flawless with 305 gsm VERY stiff paper.
It took the backside (no autoduplex) very precise, out of 20 pages, 17 of them was spot on and 3 had moved 0,3 mm.

The quality is good i think, but one problem. The magenta on some of the 305 gsm paper had moved a littel bit at the last half of the print. So the black tekst was double with a magenta shawod. The reason is just the limit of the machine, our buisness card 305 gsm is too stiff. I know a xerox 5000AP can take that paper autoduplex, but I still need to find out about the xerox 700.

 

nemprint,

with the doubling of the text, you need to have your black text 100% black and not process. we do this on our current DI quicmaster in off set. we never print print process text.

with the c6501 vs xerox. i'm in the same boat. at the moment i'm looking at the tarzan c7600 series 3 which has the same features as the biz hub for what i require. the quality is certainly glosser but i'm, leaning towards the biz hub. the tarzan is cheaper per click.

 

Go with your heart (but either one isn't a bad solution.) I prefer the finish from the 700.

 

Interesting - have never seen one of these. Are they AU only?

 

the Tarzan is a light production machine, is 5 A3 prints slower a minute, but does everything else the same. not sure if its just in australia, wouldn't think so.

cheers

 

I would pick the 700, but I own one. Also there is no local support for the KM. Xerox has always had great service for me.

 

You can resolve this problem by opening the output roulers in the machine or/and lowering the transfer belt pressure.
And always use papers made for digital printing. (We use 300 gsm coated and uncoated papers every day without problem)

 

shaneo67 i think that machine is the APEOS c7600 that is a fujixerox and is the same DocuColor 250

 

I went to see the Xerox 700 the other day.
It seems like a better machine than th KM 5501.

Out testprints looked a lot better on DC 700 (buisness cards and som registration test, and very grey 300 gsm pages)
Also, the DC 700 took 305 gsm full auto duplex no problem.

Now the only reason I have not bought a CD 700 yet is that the KM 5501 looks like a stronger machine. And it is alomst half price in Denmark.

 

Look after the KM bizhub c8000 press.
http://www.konicaminolta.eu/busines...coming-release-of-the-bizhub-press-c8000.html
http://kmbs.konicaminolta.us/content/products/models/bizhub-PRESS-C8000.html

 

I would like that machine, or the KM 6000 or 7000, but they are not avaible in DK yet. They tell me it will be at least 3 month before its here.

 

Unfortunately a great deal of the issue with copiers is dealer quality - I'm soured on Konica as we purchased a Ikon cpp500 years ago and the embedded Fiery RiP came without patches - this meant it was following the color curve of previous 8050 toner. Is that Konicas fault, , is it EFI Fierys fault, is it Ikons fault, in my opinion yes to all 3, was the issue fixed adequately, in my opinion no. Add to that not having a locally factory trained repair person & on copiers in general not replacing parts at manufactured recommended periods - let alone early due to our running card instead of paper.

On the other hand with our Xerox 240 we control replacement of drums & Coronas as they are user replaceable and the technicians are factory trained. Would I go to the 700, not without a backup of a 240 - 242 - 250 or 260 due to its ability to run high heat toner for with other copiers. The largest limitation is we are being charged about 50% more than our U.S. counterparts on toner/service, I don't think that is fair Xerox.

On the other hand going with Xerox for color and switching to an independent dealer Hamilton Copiers for black and white over a company that sold for 1.5 billion for our Canon Black and white machines we were able to save the cost of 1 press person the last 3 years as we can now do so much more on the copiers as they now work about 20 times better. We are averaging about 200,000 copies for instance between services on our Canon IR6000 versus 10,000 previously on an equivalent unit the IR5000. ie this means our black machine is going the monthly rating between services where as previously when parts were only replaced on failure we went 1/20 of the time between services yet were paying the monthly meter click. Our Docucolor I haven't documented as it simply goes a long time between calls, but our Ikon CPP500 was going about 5000 copies between services vs dealer stated average of 20,000 on a machine with a CLAIMED 150,000 monthly copy volume capability. Our last 10 years experience was Color copiers not from Xerox lasted about 2 times the claimed monthly volume, I think as they got so bad due to company waiting till parts failed instead of replacing at manufacturers suggested interval - where as with Xerox it seems they simply last until we find the copy cost has gotten too high vs purchasing a new faster machine, because they replace parts at recommended intervals. We still have a Doc12 here as backup to our 240 & 250 with something between 600 and 700,000 copies which I think the Doc12 has a monthly rating of 30,000 copies monthly.

So you can continue purchasing on the promises of the latest and greatest -- or you can purchase based on past performance .... if you are experiencing the problems I had ask your dealer for a printout of service and repair parts and then have them reference replacements to whats recommended in the manual. example 2000,000 click on coronal assembly vs recommended replacement at 1,000,000. Same with wiper for photo drum.

Ken