Alarm 16-5-0-0-0 Roland 705 3B from year 1992

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  1. AndrewUA

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    Hi everybody,
    Have a nice day.

    Please, help me to understand and fix the error :
    16-5-0-0-0 SPS: Uberdrehzahl Feuchtduktorantrieb DW 2

    Roland 705 3B from year 1992 (5 section)

    BR
    Andriy
     

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  2. drukman

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    Poorly adjusted water rollers or a loose magnet in the motor. In very rare cases, a damaged motor speed sensor.
     
  3. AndrewUA

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    Dear Drukman

    Are you talking about the M101 engine (photos in the attachment)?
     

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    This is the motor. The sensor and magnet are under the top (pictured) cover.
     
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    Thx !
    I'll try to change this motor between the section 2 and other one.
    If the problem with this motor - the error will be at other DW.

    I think this is an easiest way ;)
     
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    The last possibility is a bad dampening solution level sensor. The rollers stay dry, rev up and ....break down.....
     
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    You have to open the motor in the back you will find a hall sensor effect
     
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    Hello !
    The situation looks so:
    1. I replaced the motors between section 2 and 4 (with magnet and speed sensor)
    2. I replaced the dampening solution level sensor between section 2 and 4
    If they are defective, a DW4 error should appear.
    But there is'nt any effects - the error is same (DW 2).
    This error occurs sometimes. Everything worked fine for a few days, but today the error DW2 appeared again.

    What else could be causing this error (besides the motor and the sensor) ?
     
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    You have no many options. You can try change the driver to another unit . Let us know
     
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    You must have in slot 8-9 two pcb. d/a converter . You can try replace it by another unit too. In some cases thoses fail.
     
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    Thanks. I'll try it.
    Also I found the next block -A397 on a board -A383 (see the attachment). It transfer the signal from the dampening solution level sensor to card in slot 7. I'll try to replace them also
     

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    Thank you very much for your help.
    At first I replaced the motor and the sensor.
    Yesterday I replaced input card 7, DA converters 8 and 9, -A397 and -A383 but unfortunately got no results :( - there was alarm according DW2 again. (in the attachment).
    The water level completely covers the sensor during operation and when stopped as well as on other sections.

    Maybe I missed something, but I don't know where to look next.
    Does anyone have any ideas? I'll be very grateful for your help !
     

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    The last possibility is a problem in the inverter. Change it.
     
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    What inverter are you talking about ?
     
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    what is the current error status?
    Send a picture of errors screen .
    You have two post opened I think prozess-bus error is first. Send a picture of status of moeller fiber optic equipment in RCI. The stus is green ? Both modules ? You have two . Inside they have a battery each one (tadiran ). Have you ever replaced it?
     
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    At the moment Roland is in normal working order. These errors are not stable. They occur unpredictably. I need to catch the moment of error and the status of the fiber optic equipment. Then I will send those photos.
    According to the batteries - I personally did not change them. Unfortunately, I do not know what was done before me.
    I am not a certified specialist of printing equipment. My main specialization is tobacco products (electrical part of Focke and Hauni Protos). This company asked me to help them because they does not have a permanent electrician (there is a critical shortage of people - many were taken to war with Russia).

    Thanks in advance for your help
     

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    When needed, call Viber. I speak Russian.
     
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    Hi !
    Today the errors with Prozess-Bus occurred again.
    There are a pictures of errors screen (prozess-bus) and status of moeller fiber optic equipment in the attachment.
    According a battery - all ok.
     

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    Fiber оptic problem. Loop not ready. Or an I/O module.
    Or wrong resistors.
     

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    Hi !
    I have a Service Training Elektronic .pdf file (Communication system).
    As I understand - I need a service set for testing fiber optic cable, SPS Loop and Process Loop.
    Were can we buy it and what price ?

    "Or wrong resistors" - you mean a resistor in HP adapter for fiber optic cable or other resistors?
     

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