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  1. #1
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    Supplies availability to put Illumina in production environment?

    The heavy stock handling of the Illumina is an interesting feature (12pt with ease) -- but the retail supplies costs make this printer a non-starter for me. Has anyone come up with a way to use a Xante Illumina in a higher volume printing sitiation with more economical consumables contract/supplies or non OEM toners to reduce print costs to be more inline with Canon/Xerox print costs?

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    The xante line of printers are manufactured by okidata corporation. When they first came out with it I researched the net, found it was oki's machine with their name & started shopping oki printers too. I bought the Oki C9200 with has now been replaced with a newer model. I have looked at oki's and xantes newest printers and other than a little speed difference my model is still the same (1200x600 dpi). I bought mine on closeout as they were bring in new models and paid $1595.00 including freight from a company out of state (Discount Imaging in Little Rock AR) At that time the retail price was more than $3000.00 and Xante's version I believe was six or seven thousand.

    I have overall been happy with the machine, and regularly run #20 bond to #80 lynx & hammermill cover on it. I mostly use it for 11x17 color cover for book jobs with black text inside pages run on our offset presses. As for the consumables cost, if I had known the cost I might not have made the purchase. However, you can and I have, bought toner refill bottles and refilled the toner cartridges myself. Search google for oki c9200 toner refill bottles, or xante illumina toner refill bottles. The cost of 4 bottles (CMY&K) is less than one toner cartridge. The only issue I have had, I have had with both OEM cartridges, OEM compatible cartridges and toner refilling is that the toner seems out from between the toner cartridges and the drums. This causes unwanted toner to end up on the printed sheet which looks like ink splotches on the sheet. I have discovered that when this happens, I remove all four units from the printer, vacuum out the excess toner from inside the printer and underneath the transfer belt, separate each toner from the drum and throughly vacuum the eccess off, especially around the drum where the toner units sits, just don't vacuum out all the toner down inside the drum itself. Reinstall them all and it works fine. My machine doesn't get heavy use, but is rated at 150,000 impressions per month. I have less than 100K on mine in 2 years, but like I said I don't use it much. I still have the original transfer belt and fuser unit, but I have replaced drums several times since new. The drums would last me more impression I am sure if I ran it regularly. I just don't have that much color copy work, mostly press work in my shop.

    You can also buy image drum rollers, disassemble the drum and replace them making them as good as knew, the companies selling the toner also sell the rollers. Replacing toner or imaging rollers can be messy, it took me a couple of times of doing it to get the hang of it, so use lots of newspaper & keep a vac handy.

    There is one company in Atlanta that sell brand new (not remanufactured) OEM replacement cartridges that I have tried and I have been very happy with them & will probably re-order from them. I will probably refill those too at least once each to cut costs. They are a fraction of Oki's & Xante's OEM cost. The name of the company is Color Imaging in Norcross GA, 4 toner cartridges was less than $400.00.

    Anyway I hope this helps.
    John
    Discount Printing

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    Thank you very much John!

    I guess I need a dunce hat now because the only refill I found searching for illumina refills was http://www.tonertopup.co.uk/productC...i+C9000+Colour site (though it's in the uk) but when they listed the kits as "Oki C9000" I moved on thinking it was a spam site or error... well, I'm glad I asked, as I very much appreciate the wealth of information you provided.

    It can't come close to our canon / IKON contracted machines for our volume printing in terms of operating costs just for consumables not to mention the maintenance and support network, but on heavy stock (which we just can't run on the canons) it really could come into its own for covers, posters, and cards where customers love heavy stock.

    I would love to be able to run orders of 100 or 150 cards for example on 100# cover instead of having to inkjet them to get a nice heavy card which is making me grow old while I'm still young waiting for them (too short a run to ever run on a press, can't make much profit on those jobs, but for long-term customers I can't say no either! So an oki might be a perfect addition, especially if I can snag one being closed out in the spring.)

    Now that I know it's an oki I'm seeing many more refills (in the us) and also ebay toners and parts. Many thanks for your help - very much appreciated!

    (before going with Ikon so we could run all OEM supplies, we also ran refill toner in our old canons and also encountered the toner seep especially with magenta and yellow which for those seemed to be just a bit thinner and really get around, but it just took some extra effort to clean -- we ran about 350,000 11x17's using toner from george at tonerrefillkits.com. Other than a few spills and finding your nostrils black now and again when refilling, it wasn't so difficult once we got the hand of it, and I could do it again for heavy stock)

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    Quote Originally Posted by discountprintingservice View Post
    The name of the company is Color Imaging in Norcross GA, 4 toner cartridges was less than $400.00.
    I appreciate all of the valuable information but I went to that company's website and saw that they only sell to people that resell their products. Are you reselling?

    I think I might try it anyways, sounds like a great way to save a little dough!

    Mark

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    Clarification on my post

    Color Imaging called me today, apparently alot of people have read this thread and have started calling them for toner cartridges. I want to clarify that I bought the C9200 oki printer, after learning from Oki that they made the Illumina machine for Xante. I bought it at a fraction of Xante's price tag. I used OEM cartridges then started refilling the with toner bottles from another company. Then I found Color Imaging in Norcross. I tried their brand of cartridges and they work great. I have not tried their cartridges in an actual Xante machine, but I have been told by Oki & Oki dealers they use the same cartridge for the same model machine. Since I bought mine it has been replace by the c9300 and c9500 and possibly another model as upgrades came out. So please be aware if you have the c9300 c9500 or the comparable Xante versions I can't tell you if it will work because I have not tried them, I can only tell u that oki makes them for Xante, so based on what the oki told me, their cartridges work in xantes machines (they told me this 2 years aog) for example a oki c9300 cartride would fit the same Xante version, and the c9500 oki would fit the same Xante version. I believe but I am not 100% sure, that the c9200 and c9300 cartridges are the same. Best advise is if you want to try it buy 1 & see if it will work, & make sure u can return it if it doesn't. As far as the refill bottles go, any of these cartridges are refillable with after market refill toner. Here is one site for that: http://federaltoner.com/printerpage_...%20Printer.htm

    Hope this helps clear up any confusion. I don't want to give any bad information.

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    If you buy toner and sell it to a retail customer (even in the form of a printed job) then you are a reseller. Just like buying paper & ink & plates to print on. You just have to provide a resellers tax exempt certificate. Hope that helps Mark!

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    Refilling Xante and Oki Toners
    TonerTopUp supply refill toner for the Xante Illumina and the Oki 9000 series models to quite a few professional printers worldwide. The older Oki models have no chip on the cartridges but the 9600 onwards and the Illumina cartridges are chipped. Much of the refill toner available on the market for the older models is not qualified for the newer ones.

    TonerTopUp expect replacement chips to be available soon but for the moment there are two ways of dealing with refilling these cartridges.

    The first is to refill on a regular basis before the carts ever become empty. A regular changeover of the carts with full ones can achieve this.

    The second way is to use the engineer code sequences supplied with the TonerTopUp toner to turn off the monitoring of the toner level. Some users are using this happily, but other users report that using this option means that full out solid coverage of A3 is no longer any good as toner starvation soon sets in. However one user has tested this thoroughly using both OEM and refilled toners (even getting his Illumina replaced as there appeared to be a fault that could not be corrected.) and he advises that with a new printer with OEM cartridges he could still only get about 15 full out solid A3 sheets before toner starvation set in and he believes this is inherent in the printer design and not to do with refilling or turning of the toner level monitoring. TonerTopUp therefore have conflicting information about this method and suggest trying it out for yourself.

    Martin Young
    www.TonerTopUp.co.uk

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    Price Difference

    This is an informative thread.
    I received a 5"x8" postcard/advertisement for the Ilumina Digital Color Press by snail mail. The stock appears to be 16 pt., dull-coated 2 sides. The quality of the printing was impressive. I had no idea a laser color copy could look so good.
    I've been looking for a method of putting color on 1 side of 200 lb. white tag stock, 12.5"x25.5". The postcard, and 200 lb. tag, read as the same thickness on a micrometer. Needless to say, I'm not particularly interested in the quality of the color. I just want the finished item to be readable and colorful.
    One of the posts above seems to say that an Okidata 9200 was the same machine as the Ilumina, and that it was purchased for $1595 when the Ilumina cost several thousand dollars.
    Being a skeptic at heart, I started investigating the huge price difference. So far, what I've learned is that the Ilumina comes with an Adobe Postscript 3 Rip. I don't know for sure if a Postscript Rip is something I need to accomplish my task, but it's probably an expensive add-on. Another thing I noticed is that the Ilumina ad says that their unit has a "Heavy paper capability of 427 gsm". The Okidata site says that their various models in their current 9600/9800 line can handle "up to 270 gsm". To me that seems like a big difference in the thickness of the stock that the two machines can handle.
    Now I'm thinking, maybe Okidata does make the Ilumina, but maybe it makes the Ilumina to different specifications, and with parts that make it better able to deal with really thick card stock. It would be really helpful it the two companies would publish the parts lists for their respective machines online, but so far I haven't found them.
    I continue to investigate. Any input would be appreciated.

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    Another company that offers the same type of new compatibles for the okidata c9200 is Image Toner, http://www.imagetoner.com they also have the set for less than $400

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    hello guys.does anybody can help and said to us the exact cost per page A3full color for the illumina digital color press?

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