Silver from CMYK process

Discussion in 'Heidelberg Printing Presses' started by prasanga, May 13, 2008.

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  1. prasanga

    prasanga Member

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    Can anyone tell me how to print Silver Colour from CMYK process colours.
     
  2. RichardK

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    Quick answer - you can't. You can simulate with around 25% K but you really need metallic ink. Same goes for gold.

    If you're thinking of incorporating a metallic into a four colour pic check out MetalFX, do a search for WISE actions for Photoshop as well.

    Don't forget that metallics are opaque and you'd have to apply knockouts correctly if you're laying it down last.

    (MetalFX metallics are designed to go down first)
     
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    Metal FX is great quality, but pricey.
     
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    I have to agree with both, and stress the importance of laying your metallic last or you will encounter trapping problems
     
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    Unless you use MetalFX inks - they are closing but there should still be stock of ink around for a good while. With this ink you can lay Silver down 1st.
     
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    Sorry Richard, not familiar with them so I wouldn't know. We only get Flint unfortunately, which in my opinion isnt exactly the greatest (prefer Toyo, or Hendschy). None the less, I hope you have found a solution for your dilemma Prasanga
     
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    Its a high tack/high metallic content formulation so that you can print process inks on top wet-on-wet.

    Works really well but more expensive than standard metallics.
     
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    Lay silver down 1st and gold down last........and run 5-10 % alcohol...as far as building a silver from cmyk.....why bother.....run 877 silver .....
     
  9. dtpdistrict

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    Try this C50 M39 Y39 K0
    Use gradient with a lighter and darker variant of this color to make it shiny.
     
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    okkkkkkk then, i;d luv to see your pressmans face when asking him to make that 'proccess silver' shiny
     
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    OK, would "shiny look" do for you?
     
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    Silver will never be silver unles it is run as a spot colour, you might get it to look something like but it will never be metalic so it will never be silver
     
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    Read what was asked for in the first place. Silver in CMYK, he didn't ask for a spot color. But I guess you got a clever answer ready for me, don't you?
    Have a nice life wiseguy.
     
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    you cant make silver from cmyk u pratt othewise people wou;dnt buy metalics for way over the odds, wise guy
     
  15. Inky

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    silver from cmyk

    eye candy has a plug in for photoshop called chrome, it's great, it really looks like shiny metal when printed process.
     
  16. dtpdistrict

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    Well Inky, I bet Rolandman is going to tell you that it is no silver. Whatever you say, this guy nows it better.
    I guess it's a a lack of imagination. Thanks for your information anyway.
     
  17. RichardK

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    No amount of shiny type effects with trompe d'oeil gradients and shades out of process inks (even Hex) will replicate a METALLIC pigmented ink.
     
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    well i could agree and say it is silver, but that would be a lie because as said before it wont be silver until it is mettalic and i doubt that ee candy would look Mettalic
    And theirs a difference between havin imagination and being realistic
     
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    Yeah silver ,IMO can't be created out of process and as everyone apparentley agrees SOP is silver down 1st unless its free standing...I did have a designer once who insisted on running silver last over the black ,some kind of weird effect he was looking for , apparentley he sold it to the client...
    Steve
     

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    Silver CANNOT BE CREATED out of a set of process colours. Pantone have tried and have not succeeded, i think that might be saying something.
     
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