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Old 04-21-2008, 11:31 AM
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I have been running a press and sometimes I get an ink buildup on the rollers. I have the adjustments for the ink set and if I turn them any lower I lose the color depth that it starts turning lighter. Even at times I know I have printed while the color is not as deep as it should be and I still get this ink buildup. The other problem is when this happens the print starts getting washed out from too much ink. I must roll paper through the rollers or clean them to get going again. However I have the water set doesn't seem to affect it.
Any ideas on what to do???
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Old 04-21-2008, 12:31 PM
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You might have a calcium build up in your rollers or rollers could just be old and hard. you could try running some CLR or other such calcium eliminator into your rollers for awhile then wash up with a little press wash and alot of hot water.

VARN makes a really good rinse that i like called triple threat cleaner desensitizer, you wouldn't belive how much shit it pulls out of your rollers
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Old 04-22-2008, 09:30 PM
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is it one spesific colour? I know that happens when running 032 on my press. if that is the case try using a little tack reducer. I pefer the varn paste reducer. Have you made any changes latly ? ie differant ink, fountain soloution?
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Old 04-23-2008, 02:10 AM
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I never gave calcium buildup a thought but we did that just last week for other reasons.
As for specific color, not really, I just had it today running a green and yesterday it was red. Other colors too further back. The ink is the same and we have tried stuff mixed in the ink like lith ease and the paste. I am fairly new at this so I don't remember or know all the products. My buddy who has been doing printing for years is having problems too. He just put on new rollers too and still has problems.
I noticed today when I started it wasn't long until I had problems. After running some paper through to take some of it off I was able to start back up only for the same thing to happen about 10 minutes later after doing it again it went fine. After lunch I had the same problem. Like it happens when the rollers get so hot but clear up later. I don't really know for sure. My buddy thinks it is the water solution but the ink build up on the ink rollers not water or plate. (The boss changed the water solution to something more ecofriendly several mnths ago and I just noticed the problem about a month ago)
Maybe this more info will help someone identify what is wrong.
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Old 04-23-2008, 06:30 AM
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Hi,

It sounds like the ink is emulsifying on the rollers. It could be the new fount solution is not compatable with the ink you are using or the mix % is not correct.

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Old 04-24-2008, 10:20 AM
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The ink is emulsifying. I have the answer to this problem without washing up the press in my book here.

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Old 04-27-2008, 09:48 AM
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What type and brand of plates... metal, poly, silvermaster etc...?? What type and brand of ink... rubber base, oil base etc....? And what brand and type of fountain solution... glycerin base, alkaline base etc....?? Using any additives in the solution? Also what type of press and water system?

I agree with Mr H it sounds like the new solution is the culprit. Bosses are often dumb asses looking to save a few pennys rather than being eco friendly. No offense to any dumb ass bosses here!! LOL But if he's seeing all the problems, crappy printing and downtime this is causing he should leave well enough alone. Once you find a good combination don't change it. And do measure the amount of solution to water with any additives and always make it the same mix. I've seen some guys eyeball it which is all fine and good. But I like to be a little more precise and never have any water/ink issues once I nail down a good mix. Also stick to a brand of ink that works well.

Now are you also sure your hard rollers are not glazed and stripping ink? You can use putz only on the hard rollers cleaning by hand with a little wash, water and putz on the rag. Don't use anything abrasive if you can help it. If you just put putz on the entire roller train like the directions say to (LOL) it gets into the pores of the soft rollers. Not good. You'll see a gritty haze on the rollers and it'll take few washups of putting ink on the rollers to get it to go away. If not your ink will be emulsifying on the rollers.

Good luck!!! And keep us posted.

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We do use metal plates and the new fountain solution is supreme font 7086. I don't know what kind of ink but the brand is Branden Sutphin. The press is a Halm As I stated I am new at this and really do not know details but I do know where others have had similer experiance. It is also confusing that nothing is consistant. sometimes I get the buildup and other times not, even on the same run.
It was also brought up about the ink emulsifying, I'm not sure what this means but if it is the water mixing in the ink I really do not know. All I can say is it can buildup heavy. Sometimes maybe just an inch long on the roller other times it may be more. I also still can't see how that much ink can fit between the rollers, I'll swear it seems like it must be up to 1/32 if an inch.
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Old 05-06-2008, 03:17 PM
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Hi,

Can you go back to your old fount solution and see if that clears the problem.

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Old 05-09-2008, 02:20 AM
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Can you go back to your old fount solution and see if that clears the problem.

Regards.
I doubt it. I wish I had more experiance with the old stuff to make comparisons.
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